[BGT/NPC project] Dialogue loop

[Guest La Marmotte]

Hello ! Please forgive me for my bad english, I'm french.

 

I play Baldur's Gate Trilogy with some mods (BG1 NPC project, BG1 Unfinish Business, BGT Tweak, Ashes of Ambers, BG2 Fixpack, Ascension)

 

I have a problem with a dialogue between Minsc and the PC : Minsc want to talk but the dialogue don't work, so he can't move and my character stop every 2 seconds.

 

I have try to install the initiative dialogue element from NPC project to initiate the dialogue, and it had work : when I have load my save, Minsc have talk to my character. But the dialogue is totally messed up and it loop every second !

 

Minsc said that Boo is sleeping so we can ask questions to him. I can choose between 9 options, but Minsc's answer is not the good sentence, it's a different one every time. Sometime if I clic 5 ou 6 times on the same option Minsc say the good answer and in the next loop I have only 5 options.

 

I have save the game and uninstall the initiative dialogue element. When I load the save the dialogue don't opend but Minsc said the same sentence in loop (sound, no text) and he always can't move.

 

I don't know if it's a new bug and how to fix it ? Please can someone help me ?

[cmorgan]

I think I recognize this - please PM me for a new version of BG1 NPC with this fixed. I will try to look through back threads as soon as I can to isolate the problem and try some sort of workaround, but I have in the log "fixed", so it is probably better to just get the whole new version!

Edit: To be clear, this is not a problem on Tutu or BGT vanilla installs, as confirmed by playtesters on the new internal. I believe it is a problem with a BP/Trilogy mod; I believe I have solved the problem, but I can't be sure - BP mods have some challenges. The newest internal sets up dialogue differently, which I think was the only solution needed.

[La Marmotte]

I have send you a PM, but I'm not sure it have work...

[cmorgan]

Got your PM - I am still having troubles figuring out what the problem is, I am afraid. I have to ask berelinde to step in here, I think, if she could - I am not seeming to get my head around what mod would be adding this, and why it is looping. I am *pretty* sure it isn't us, but can't be absolutely sure without some diagnosiis, which given the situation I can't do -

 

do we have a French speaker comfortable with BGt installs here? (Perhaps SpellholdStudios...) We also may need to get Chevalier and Azazzello involved.

 

As far as I can tell, something in the BP/BGT install is causing a dialogue loop with Minsc saying something about Boo being asleep, so we can talk now, but this is on a French dialog.tlk.

[berelinde]

I would be happy to try to figure it out, so please, cmorgan, forward the message she sent you, and I will see what I can do with it.

 

La Marmotte, please tell me about the problem you are having, in French, if it is easier for you. Je lis meilleur le français que je le parle. (I read French better than I speak it.) I might be able to help.

[Azazello]

Make sure to determine the version of BG1NPC s/he's using, and also get the weidu.log.

[La Marmotte]

I hadn't seen there are responses here, I have consult only my PM. Sorry for the delays ! ^^'

 

This is my current WeiDU.log

 

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods

// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod

// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name

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~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #2 // Pack du moddeur heureux

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #100 // Gain d'experience si on envoie Keldorn se reconcilier avec Maria

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #101 // Animations des sorts amelioree

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #102 // Forger un objet par Cromwell prend reellement un jour

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #103 // Correction des dagues a usage mixte

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #104 // Correction des symboles divin (par Ghreyfain)

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #106 // Penalite d'attaque des Geants contre les Petites-personnes, les Nains et les Gnomes

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #107 // Retire la restriction de jumelage des Archers et des Traqueurs

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #109 // Correction du comportement des demons convoques

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #110 // Correctifs additionnels pour les scripts

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #111 // Correction de la chanson du barde

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #112 // Les tueurs de magiciens provoquent un fourvoiement magique sur les attaques a distance

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #113 // Correctifs additionnels pour les alignements

~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #4 #114 // "Action libre" protege aussi contre l'etourdissement

~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #2 #0 // Ascension v1.41 (ToB requis)

~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #2 #1 // Abazigal Plus Fort (optionnel, ToB requis)

~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #2 #3 // Gromnir Plus Fort (optionnel, ToB requis)

~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #2 #4 // Illasera Plus Fort (optionnel, ToB requis)

~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #2 #5 // Yaga-Shura Plus Fort (optionnel, ToB requis)

~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ #3 #0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Composant principal 1.04

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #0 // Restoration du deuxième niveau de l'Île de Glace

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #1 // La Mysterieuse Fiole

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #2 // Rencontre Additionelle avec Elminster

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #3 // Angelo remarque Shar-teel

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #6 // Kivan et Tazok

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #7 // Branwen et Tranzig

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #8 // Safana le Flirt

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #9 // Récompense approprié de Albert et Rufie

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #10 // Entar Écudargent dans sa Demeure

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #11 // Scar et la Fille de Sashenstar

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #12 // Quoningar le Clerc

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #13 // Shilo Chen et l'Ogre-Mage

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #14 // Edie, L'Appliquant de la Ligue des Marchands

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #15 // Renforts Mercenaire du Poing Enflammé

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #16 // Corrections de Créatures

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #17 // Restorations de Créatures

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #18 // Restorations de Noms de Créatures

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #20 // Restorations Audio

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #21 // Réparations et Restorations Magasin, Taverne et Hôtel

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #22 // Corrections et Restorations d'objets

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #23 // Corrections et Restorations de Secteurs

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #24 // Cadavres Permanents

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #25 // Immunité au Charmes et Sommeil des Elfs

~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #2 #27 // Corrections Journal de Sarevok

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #0 // The BG1 NPC Project: Required Modifications for v12 Beta4, pro5-3, March 10, 2007

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #1 // The BG1 NPC Project: Banters, Quests, and Interjections

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #7 // The BG1 NPC Project: Kivan's "Kivan and Deheriana Companions" portrait

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #8 // The BG1 NPC Project: Add Non-Joinable NPC portraits to quests and dialogues

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #9 // The BG1 NPC Project: Coran's Romance Core (adult content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #10 // The BG1 NPC Project: Dynaheir's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #11 // The BG1 NPC Project: Shar-Teel Relationship Core (adult content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #12 // The BG1 NPC Project: Branwen's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #13 // The BG1 NPC Project: Xan's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #14 // The BG1 NPC Project: Ajantis Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #15 // The BG1 NPC Project: Female Romance Challenges, Ajantis vs Xan vs Coran

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #16 // Romance [Coran] -> Coran's Romance Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #21 // Romance [Dynaheir] -> Dynaheir's Romance Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #26 // Romance [Xan] -> Xan's Romance Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #31 // Romance [shar-Teel] -> Shar-Teel's Relationship Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #36 // Romance [branwen] -> Branwen's Romance Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #41 // Romance [Ajantis] -> Ajantis' Romance Speed (standard: 1 hour)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #57 // The BG1 NPC Project: Bardic Reputation Adjustment

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #0 // Restrictions d armes universelles pour MODS

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #1 // Limitation des sorts (Peau de Pierre/Fer)

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #2 // Armes uniques (bolas et katars)

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #3 // Javelots

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #4 // Bonus de Resistance Magique des Tueurs de Magiciens (8% + 4% / niveau)

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #12 // Nouvelles armures (ecailles, a bandes, harnois de guerre)

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #14 // Armes Universelles avec limitations de Force et de Dexterite - SoA

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #15 // Armes Universelles avec limitations de Force et de Dexterite - ToB

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #16 // Nouvelles competences de Anomen pour SoA (Epee Longue, Lance, Arbalete)] [Requiert Armes Universelles pour SoA

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #17 // Nouvelles competences de Anomen pour ToB (Epee Longue, Lance, Arbalete)] [Requiert Armes Universelles pour ToB

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #18 // Nouvelles competences de Viconia pour SoA (Arbalete, Fleau, style Arme a une main, Cimeterre et Epee Courte)] [Requiert Armes Universelles pour SoA

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #19 // Nouvelles competences de Viconia pour ToB (Arbalete, Fleau, style Arme a une main, Cimeterre et Epee Courte)] [Requiert Armes Universelles pour ToB

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #20 // Nouvelles competences de Keldorn pour SoA (Arbalete devient Lance)] [Requiert Objets Universels pour SoA

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #2 #21 // Nouvelles competences de Keldorn pour ToB (Arbalete devient Lance)] [Requiert Objets Universels pour ToB

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #0 // Eldoth rappelle d'aller recuperer la rancon de Skie

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #5 // Reaction amicale des ours envers druides/rodeurs dans BG1

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #8 // Pieges aleatoires dans la caverne des pirates -> Attribution faite pendant l'installation

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #10 // Sacs sur la Cote des Epees

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #11 // Modifier la creation d'ennemis aleatoires -> Creer des ennemis aleatoires en fonction du niveau (style Tutu)

~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #2 #13 // Arkion reagit en fonction de la reputation du PJ

~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #0 // Creature XP Reduction -> Reduce to 75%

~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #9 // Locks, Traps and Spells XP Reduction -> Reduce to 10%

~SETUP-XPMOD.TP2~ #0 #10 // No XP for learning spells

~TXTMUSIC/TXTMUSIC.TP2~ #1 #0 // Musique retablie sur les ecrans textes pour BG1TuTu, EasyTutu et BGT-WeiDU

~SETUP-GUI.TP2~ #0 #2 // Game Graphical User Interface (GUI) -> "Baldur's Gate Trilogy" (Elminster wielding staff)"

// Recently Uninstalled: ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #200 // The BG1 NPC Project: Player-Initiated Dialogues

 

The fist part of the dialogue which doesn't work is string 114163 in dialog.tlk and dialogF.tlk (with Near Infinity), but I don't know to find the other part of it (the differents answers options).

 

The dialogue begin by this :

Minsc : *Boo is snoozing in Minsc's pouch. If you want to talk to the huge Rashemi without the hamster's interference - the moment is now!*

and I have 9 anwers in choice.

[berelinde]

That actually helps a lot. Are you initiating dialogue with Minsc, or is he saying that without you doing anything?

 

 

The other question I have is "What version of BG1 NPC are you using?" Are you using the public download version, or did cmorgan send you a link to download a private beta? You see, if Minsc is saying that all on his own, without you force-talking him, there is a problem in his script, and a variable mismatch. There were many of them in the last public version, and they have been fixed in the new privately available version.

 

What were you doing when this dialogue cycle began? Were you in a specific part of the map, or did it happen anywhere?

[La Marmotte]

That actually helps a lot. Are you initiating dialogue with Minsc, or is he saying that without you doing anything?

 

Minsc try to talk with my character but the dialogue doesn't work, so they just look at each other without doing anything, and they can't walk because they stop every second.

So I have try to installed the initiating dialogue element, that I hadn't installed before because I have read it doens't work with BGT. When I load my save with this, Minsc's dialogue work... but just the begining, because after the dialogue is mess up, and it loop. If I save, uninstalled the initiating dialogue and reload, Minsc say the same thing every second, but it's no dialogue, just sound.

 

 

The other question I have is "What version of BG1 NPC are you using?" Are you using the public download version, or did cmorgan send you a link to download a private beta? You see, if Minsc is saying that all on his own, without you force-talking him, there is a problem in his script, and a variable mismatch. There were many of them in the last public version, and they have been fixed in the new privately available version.

 

I use a private version that someone in the french forum La Couronne de Cuivre has sent to me. It's version 12 beta 4.

 

What were you doing when this dialogue cycle began? Were you in a specific part of the map, or did it happen anywhere?

 

I'm next to the gnoll stronghold (BG1), but I have make test with an old save, and if think the dialogue isn't specific to a place, but happened after a period of time.

[berelinde]

That helps. I think I know what it is: Minsc has a timer that kicks in if the party takes too long to rescue Dynaheir.

 

cm, can you check the timers on that? They might need to be lengthened or otherwise tweaked.

[La Marmotte]

That helps. I think I know what it is: Minsc has a timer that kicks in if the party takes too long to rescue Dynaheir.

 

What do you mean by 'kick in' ? This timer can makes problem in Minsc's dialogues ? In the dialogue which loop, he doesn't talk about Dynaheir. But I think I remember that sometimes when I ask him question and get mess up answer, he tell something about gnoll and Dynaheir. But I'm not sure, I have to check this.

[berelinde]

No, I don't think you have to check it. The reason you see this conversation is that Minsc has a script that tells him when it is time to begin a conversation.

 

This script is telling him to start talking to the PC, but there is not a dialogue that is valid for that particular situation, so his player-initiated dialogue menu comes up.

 

We had the same trouble with Coran and with Kivan.

 

Give us a little while to look at it. Hopefully, the information you provided will help cmorgan and I locate the problem that is affecting your installation.

[cmorgan]

It might also be pulling the old Beta3 out of the install and replacing it with the new internal, but using the old savegame...

 

but I will check the Minsc/Gnoll set of speeches.

 

Heck, I will double check all of 'em.

[berelinde]

True, because a timer in effect in the savegame isn't going to change when the version is updated, is it? Still, it doesn't hurt to look into it.

[berelinde]

La Marmotte: I notice that your BGT installation includes Unfinished Business for BG1. Please check this link.