Aldeth and the druids

[Shaitan]

Hi!

 

I can't be the only one experiencing troubles with Aldeth and the Druid at Cloackwood 1. It's not a very big deal, but when the druid and his fellow druidic croons arrives after you talked to Sahenstar (sp?) there must be a script for these croons, which is very heavy (or something other is bad). These three guys really can make my pc choke like an old car.

 

Regards and thanks for a great mod

[Miloch]

What do you mean? Does it cause stuttering or are they just too difficult? If the latter, what level/classes are you and your party members?

 

Edit: Are you running SCS or something? BG1NPC doesn't change Seniyad and the druids (druid3.cre) by Cloakwood Lodge. Or are you talking about the BG1NPC-specific archdruid (Andarthe) and his minions on the map with the treehouse?

[Shaitan]

Oh I really thought it was BG1NPC wich changes Jaheiras quest at the lodge when meeting the guy wanting the party to kill some druids. My weidu.log:

 

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// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod

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~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #29 // Assign a kit to Kivan? -> Kivan: Archer

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Sensible weapon restrictions for MODS

~SETUP-ASHESOFEMBERS.TP2~ #0 #13 // Sensible weapon restrictions for BG1Tutu

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~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #3 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Imoen her BG2 portrait.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #4 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Jaheira her BG2 portrait.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #5 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Minsc his BG2 portrait.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #6 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Viconia her BG2 portrait.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #8 // The BG1 NPC Project: Add Non-Joinable NPC portraits to quests and dialogues

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #9 // The BG1 NPC Project: Ajantis Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #10 // The BG1 NPC Project: Branwen's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #11 // The BG1 NPC Project: Coran's Romance Core (adult content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #12 // The BG1 NPC Project: Dynaheir's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #13 // The BG1 NPC Project: Shar-Teel Relationship Core (adult content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #14 // The BG1 NPC Project: Xan's Romance Core (teen content)

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #15 // The BG1 NPC Project: Female Romance Challenges, Ajantis vs Xan vs Coran

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #16 // The BG1 NPC Project: NPCs can be sent to wait in an inn.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #18 // The BG1 NPC Project: Alora's Starting Location. -> Alora Starts in Gullykin.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #20 // The BG1 NPC Project: Eldoth's Starting Location. -> Eldoth Starts on the Coast Way.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #22 // The BG1 NPC Project: Quayle's Starting Location. -> Quayle Starts at the Nashkel Carnival.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #24 // The BG1 NPC Project: Tiax's Starting Location. -> Tiax Starts in Beregost.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #25 // Jason Compton's Accelerated Banter Script.

~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #27 // The BG1 NPC Project: Bardic Reputation Adjustment

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~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #30 // The BG1 NPC Project: Sarevok's Diary Adjustments -> SixofSpades Extended Sarevok's Diary

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[Kulyok]

From what I've seen, heavy scripts is generally a tactic-y feature, not NPC-y(if this NPC is not called Amber or Xan). Try uninstalling SCS and see what happens.

[Shaitan]

It's not that bad, just annoying on the lodge map, when starting the quest. So the conclusion is, it's due to some scripts from SCS and not related to BG1NPC.

 

Thank you

[Miloch]

If you do want to troubleshoot it, you can try just uninstalling these:

~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #180 // Smarter priests
~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #190 // Priests pre-cast defensive spells

I know for fact SCS changes the behaviour of those druids - it says so in the TP2 around line 3610 et al. I had to investigate it while making another druid mod and trying to figure out how to be compatible with SCS. But I've never heard of slowdown with Smarter Priests - only Smarter Mages. I'm sure DavidW might be interested in hearing about it (in fact, maybe this whole topic could be moved to the SCS forum).

[Shaitan]

Yes please, moderator?

[melkor_morgoth75]

Yes Miloch, it was the same for me. BUT ... i was using at that time "the old" SCS for BGT as far as i know but i guess it's the same.

 

The scripts assigned to Seniyad's druids (noy to Seniyad himself) should cause the stutter just in that area after they appear. If SCS does alter it so it's the cause ;-)

 

Cheers!

 

mm75

[Miloch]

This is nothing new in SCS. In the default game, the supporting druids (druid3.cre) have a 28-line script that gives them a rather wussy Flame Blade and that's pretty much it.

 

Well, SCS overwrites this script (and the CREs themselves - one of the problems I had in the mod I was doing, since my script extensions were getting overwritten willy-nilly) with a 42-line script, then extends it with a 4681-line script. If that wasn't enough, it then extends it again with the 139-line priesttop.baf and the 211-line priestpot.baf. Hence the potential for stagger when 3 CREs fire through a 5000+ line script all at once.

 

I'm not bashing SCS (great mod - I love it) but I think that kind of scripting is overkill for a few 3rd-level druids. Yes, they are too easy in the vanilla game (complete pushovers in fact). Really, they should be 10th level if they're initiates to an archdruid, and Seniyad should be L13 if he's a real archdruid (2e PHB p. 53). But even with that upgrade, they don't need more than a 300-line script or so to cast all the spells they'd have at those levels, and do a few more "intelligent" things besides (drink potions etc.).

 

(I guessing only CamDawg can move a post from BG1NPC to SCS?)

[DavidW]

Okay... so there are two sources of slowdown I can imagine with those druids:

 

1) when they're created, there'll be a one-off slowdown: you always get this when creatures with long scripts are created.

 

2) If you fight them, you'll fight three spellcasters with long scripts. That might cause lagging (it shouldn't cause any more lagging than with similarly large groups of mages or priests, though).

 

As for script length: if Miloch means "the script for a L3 priest only needs to be 300 lines" then that's got some truth in it. As an exercise, I just stripped it down to include only L3-relevant resources, and it's 1400 lines (the majority of that is their melee block). I could probably trim another 400 lines if I tried. If he means "even the script for a L10 priest only needs to be 300 lines, then I respectfully demur. The targetting for the Command spell takes 180 lines by itself!

 

In general SCS (and SCSII) makes a lot of use of general scripts for mages/priests. The reasoning here is that (a) it's a vast time-saver (I have time to design one really careful spellcaster combat script, but not dozens) and (b) for most spellcasters (those of L7 and up, say) it doesn't actually make a lot of difference.

[DavidW]

Oooh, almost forgot: I can't do anything much about the fact that SCS overwrites scripts when it does: the original game DRUID3 is basically a combat script that has to be completely replaced, and I can't detect whether someone else's modification is or is not also going to have to be replaced. I can probably stop overwriting the CRE files, though. (I can't remember why I do; it's not normal in SCS.)

[Miloch]

If he means "even the script for a L10 priest only needs to be 300 lines, then I respectfully demur. The targetting for the Command spell takes 180 lines by itself!

I guess it depends on how "smart" you want to make the priests (or druids in this case). I based this estimate on scripts I've previously done for the L13 archdruids, by figuring out how many and which spells they should have for their level/kit/alignment then giving them just the blocks they need for those spells. (FWIW, Command isn't one of those as it's a cleric-only spell.) And I usually have a single targetting block up front. Granted, I'm sure your scripts are a lot "smarter" than mine. Mine are perhaps more precise, but also more painful to produce, as you suggest. I guess it's a matter of striking a balance between time savings, intelligence and potential lag (perhaps even just having separate cleric and druid scripts would help somewhat).

I can probably stop overwriting the CRE files, though. (I can't remember why I do; it's not normal in SCS.)

I don't know why either - FotD and DSotSC also overwrite the CREs, but they're BG1-only (and the BGT version of DSotSC omits the druid3 change for some reason; in any case, it usually patches existing CREs). Patching the CRE would help a lot though - if I can't extend the druid3 script, I can at least assign the CRE a race or perhaps override script if you're not using those slots (and I want to try to avoid mandating my mod must be installed after SCS and possibly overwriting your changes).

 

Or you could just adopt my scripts for the druids and save us both a lot of time (I suppose, conceptually though, you would want to preserve your scripting style and probably don't want to incorporate my not-so-smart brand of scripting ).