cemeth Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi all. I'm back to the BG world once more, after not having played it for many years. I did play other D&D RPGs in the meantime, though, most notably PS:T and NWN. I'm amazed at the number of high quality mods available nowadays, and I'm especially fond of Tutu/BGT. Now I'm about to play the whole series again, starting with BG1, using EasyTutu and several mods. I'd like to know 2 things: 1. Is my mod list and install order okay, or do I have to expect problems during the game? I'm just out of Candlekeep (intro), no problems until now. According to the mod READMEs and this thread, it should be OK, but I'd still like to have some opinions. 2. I'd like to use improved party AI scripts. There are a lot to choose from though, and I got confused when seeing how many there are. I don't know which one I should use. Can you recommend any? And can I install them now (with this install order) or do I have to reinstall everything because they should be installed before other mods? Thanks in advance. Here's my Weidu.log, showing what I have installed and in what order (I don't use any non-Weidu mods): // Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods // The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod // ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name ~EASYTUTUDEGREENIFIER.TP2~ #0 #0 // EasyTutu Degreenifier ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Assign a kit to Ajantis? -> Ajantis: Cavalier ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #7 // Assign a kit to Dynaheir? -> Dynaheir: Specialist Mage ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #9 // Assign a kit to Edwin? -> Edwin: Specialist Mage ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #13 // Assign a kit to Faldorn? -> Faldorn: Avenger ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #27 // Assign a kit to Khalid? -> Khalid: Wizard Slayer ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #29 // Assign a kit to Kivan? -> Kivan: Archer ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #36 // Assign a kit to Safana? -> Safana: Bounty Hunter ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #38 // Assign a kit to Shar-Teel? -> Shar-Teel: Barbarian ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #45 // Assign a kit to Xan? -> Xan: Specialist Mage ~SETUP-EASYTUTUNPCKITS.TP2~ #0 #47 // Assign a kit to Xzar? -> Xzar: Specialist Mage ~SETUP-TUTUFIX.TP2~ #0 #4 // Totemic Druid Spirit Summons are Balanced ~SETUP-TUTUFIX.TP2~ #0 #5 // BG1 Summoning Spells ~BW_HERBS/SETUP-BW_HERBS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Herbs and Potions Add-in (BG1 / BG1Tutu / BGT) v1.0.1 by Baronius ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Changes to trueclass bards and thieves, and unmodded game kits (required for other components) ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #1 // Add new bardic store and thief items ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #2 // Install Acrobat bard kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #3 // Install Chorister bard kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #4 // Install Dirgesinger bard kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #5 // Install Gypsy bard kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #6 // Install Adventurer thief kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #7 // Install Burglar thief kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #8 // Install Soulknife thief kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #9 // Install Sharpshooter thief kit ~SETUP-SONG_AND_SILENCE.TP2~ #0 #10 // Install Shadowdancer thief kit ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Proper dual-wielding implementation for Thieves and Bards ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #1 // Thief kit revisions ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #2 // Bard kit revisions ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #5 // Additional equipment for Thieves and Bards ~RR/SETUP-RR.TP2~ #0 #6 // Revised Thievery ~SETUP-LOSTITEMS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Lost Items ~JASTEYSBG1QUESTS/SETUP-JASTEYSBG1QUESTS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Mini-Quests and Encounters Mod by jastey (v. Beta 1.0) ~SETUP-TGC1E.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Grey Clan Episode One: In Candlelight, BG1TUTU edition v1.10 -> Normal edition ~SETUP-SIRINESCALL.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Lure of the Sirine's Call ~SETUP-SOA.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Stone of Askavar Version 1.2 ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #0 // The BG1 NPC Project: Required Modifications for Version 14, September 18, 2007 ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #1 // The BG1 NPC Project: Banters, Quests, and Interjections ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #2 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Edwin his BG2 portrait. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #3 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Imoen her BG2 portrait. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #4 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Jaheira her BG2 portrait. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #5 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Minsc his BG2 portrait. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #6 // The BG1 NPC Project: Give Viconia her BG2 portrait. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #7 // The BG1 NPC Project: Kivan's "Kivan and Deheriana Companions" portrait ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #8 // The BG1 NPC Project: Add Non-Joinable NPC portraits to quests and dialogues ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #9 // The BG1 NPC Project: Ajantis Romance Core (teen content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #10 // The BG1 NPC Project: Branwen's Romance Core (teen content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #11 // The BG1 NPC Project: Coran's Romance Core (adult content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #12 // The BG1 NPC Project: Dynaheir's Romance Core (teen content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #13 // The BG1 NPC Project: Shar-Teel Relationship Core (adult content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #14 // The BG1 NPC Project: Xan's Romance Core (teen content) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #15 // The BG1 NPC Project: Female Romance Challenges, Ajantis vs Xan vs Coran ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #16 // The BG1 NPC Project: NPCs can be sent to wait in an inn. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #18 // The BG1 NPC Project: Alora's Starting Location. -> Alora Starts in Gullykin. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #20 // The BG1 NPC Project: Eldoth's Starting Location. -> Eldoth Starts on the Coast Way. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #22 // The BG1 NPC Project: Quayle's Starting Location. -> Quayle Starts at the Nashkel Carnival. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #24 // The BG1 NPC Project: Tiax's Starting Location. -> Tiax Starts in Beregost. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #25 // Jason Compton's Accelerated Banter Script. ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #29 // The BG1 NPC Project: Cloakwood areas availability in Chapter One -> Open four Cloakwood areas (everything but the Mines) ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #30 // The BG1 NPC Project: Sarevok's Diary Adjustments -> SixofSpades Extended Sarevok's Diary ~BG1NPC.TP2~ #0 #200 // The BG1 NPC Project: Player-Initiated Dialogues ~BG1NPCMUSIC/BG1NPCMUSIC.TP2~ #0 #0 // The BG1 NPC Project Music Pack ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #0 // Ice Island Level Two Restoration ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #1 // The Mysterious Vial ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #2 // Additional Elminster Encounter ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #8 // Safana the Flirt ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #9 // Appropriate Albert and Rufie Reward ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #10 // Place Entar Silvershield in His Home ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #11 // Scar and the Sashenstar's Daughter ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #12 // Quoningar, the Cleric ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #13 // Shilo Chen and the Ogre-Magi ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #14 // Edie, the Merchant League Applicant ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #15 // Flaming Fist Mercenary Reinforcements ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #17 // Creature Restorations ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #20 // Audio Restorations ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #21 // Store, Tavern and Inn Fixes and Restorations ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #22 // Item Corrections and Restorations ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #23 // Area Corrections and Restorations ~BG1UB/SETUP-BG1UB.TP2~ #0 #25 // Elven Charm and Sleep Racial Resistance ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #1 // Monk Remix ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #30 // Install Hexblade fighter kit ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #31 // Install Duelist fighter kit ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #32 // Install Fist of Order fighter kit ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #33 // Install Blackguard fighter kit ~SWORD_AND_FIST/SETUP-SWORD_AND_FIST.TP2~ #0 #34 // Install Duskblade fighter kit (by ronin69hof, ronin69hof@gmail.com ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Commoners Use Drab Colors ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1060 // Breakable Iron Nonmagical Shields, Helms, and Armor ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1070 // Improved Multi-Player Kick-out Dialogues ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1080 // Add Bags of Holding ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1090 // Exotic Item Pack ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1100 // Reveal City Maps When Entering Area ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1110 // Add Map Notes ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2090 // Change Experience Point Cap -> Remove Experience Cap ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2220 // Change Magically Created Weapons to Zero Weight ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2320 // Trap Cap Removal (Ardanis/GeN1e) ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3001 // Higher HP on Level Up -> NWN Style ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3125 // Neutral Characters Make Happy Comments at Mid-Range Reputation ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4000 // Adjust Evil joinable NPC reaction rolls ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4031 // Consistent Stats: Edwin -> Use BG2 Values ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4041 // Consistent Stats: Jaheira -> Use BG2 Values ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4061 // Consistent Stats: Minsc -> Use BG2 Values ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4071 // Consistent Stats: Viconia -> Use BG2 Values ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #10 // Correct various errors on race, class etc ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #20 // Make elemental arrows more like their BG2 counterparts ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #30 // Make Protection from Normal Missiles block magical missiles ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #50 // Re-introduce potions of extra-healing ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Faster Bears ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #120 // Smarter general AI ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Better calls for help ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #140 // Potions for NPCs ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #160 // Smarter mages ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #170 // Mages pre-cast defensive spells ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #180 // Smarter priests ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #190 // Priests pre-cast defensive spells ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #210 // Harder giant and phase spiders ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #220 // Dark Side-based kobold upgrade ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #240 // Slightly harder carrion crawlers ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #250 // Smarter basilisks ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #260 // Improved doppelgangers ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #270 // Tougher Black Talons and Iron Throne guards ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #290 // Improved Ulcaster ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #310 // Improved Durlag's Tower ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #320 // Improved Demon Cultists ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #330 // Improved miscellaneous encounters ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #340 // Tougher chapter-two end battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #350 // Tougher chapter-three end battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #360 // Tougher chapter-four end battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #370 // Tougher chapter-five end battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #380 // Tougher chapter-six end battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #390 // Improved final battle ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #410 // Remove blur effect from displacer cloak ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ #0 #430 // Move Boo out of quick access and into Minsc's pack ~SETUP-EASYTUTUSPAWNRANDOMIZER.TP2~ #0 #5 // EasyTutu Spawn Randomizer -> Base Spawn Chance: 80% Link to comment
cmorgan Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 For AI, SCS is all you need... or are you talking about party AI? Link to comment
cemeth Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yeah, party AI. (edited post) Link to comment
cmorgan Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 SCS's version does a good job for me, actually, but there are two good Tutu-compatible choices out there. Either Cirrerek's or Yovaneth's work - if I install gMinion, I install eSeries. If I don't, I install Yovaneth's or simply leave out the AI scripting. SCS's improved party AI is simple to use and does a pretty effective job, all told. Link to comment
DavidW Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 It depends what you want from it, really. SCS's AI is basically there to make your life a bit easier: it'll make halfway competent decisions on who to attack with already-equipped weapons, it'll eat goodberries and drink healing potions, and it'll cast long-duration spells when you wake up. But it won't use spells or magic items in combat. If you want something that's got a fighting chance of letting you win battles on auto-pilot, you'll need something more advanced like eSeries. Link to comment
Kulyok Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 ~JASTEYSBG1QUESTS/SETUP-JASTEYSBG1QUESTS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Mini-Quests and Encounters Mod by jastey (v. Beta 1.0) jastey's just updated her mod(and corrected some bugs in v1.1), so I strongly recommend you to install v1.1 instead. Other than that, yes, it looks good to me, except ~SETUP-SOA.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Stone of Askavar Version 1.2 I recall there was a crash in one of the "eastern" areas(the right side of the worldmap), and this mod(v1.2, too) has been a suspect. Folks, has this been tested/corrected/confirmed? And feel free to try Finch, Gavin, Coran's friendship and Xan's friendship sometime. Link to comment
Bursk Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Are there any AI packages out there that will make a character: 1. Attack with a ranged weapon until the enemy gets close, then switch to a melee weapon 2. Do nothing until the enemy gets close if they only have a melee weapon I've been looking at what proficiencies to give NPCs using the Level One NPCs mod, and I will probably be looking to give most of them some form of ranged attack, so that they can get off a shot or two before the enemy reaches them. My front liners will obviously then change to melee weapons once the enemy gets close. I'd much rather not have to do this manually, though, since it'll get tedious if I use this strategy for every fight. Link to comment
cemeth Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 Alright, thanks for your input. I will try the AI script included in SCS then. I don't want advanced scripts that play the game for me. I just want good, "smart" scripts that work well for the easy but tedious battles. Scripts that do intelligent targeting, weapon switching and things like that. Nothing like casting spells or drinking potions automatically or running too far away from the party. In harder battles I prefer to control everything myself anyway. Link to comment
Amgot Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Other than that, yes, it looks good to me, except ~SETUP-SOA.TP2~ #0 #0 // The Stone of Askavar Version 1.2 I recall there was a crash in one of the "eastern" areas(the right side of the worldmap), and this mod(v1.2, too) has been a suspect. Folks, has this been tested/corrected/confirmed? I downloaded a patch consisting of a few area files from the Stone of Askavar forum. The readme says that dumping them into the override folder after installing the Stone of Askavar will prevent crashes in Tutu games. As I'm currently in the middle of a BG EasyTutu run, I'll report if I encounter any crashes in those areas. Link to comment
cemeth Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Good thing that I'm still tinkering with my install and haven't really started playing yet... (except a little quick testing) Link to comment
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