Thieves playing up?

[coaster]

Hi David,

 

Some of the (hostile) thieves in my game appear to be acting a bit strangely. Many of them sit around, invisible and doing nothing, and only attacking until a while has passed. The latest culprit was in the Renfield encounter - I didn't even realise a thief was there until I heard "I can break an arm or a leg for a copper or two" coming repeatedly from an empty street

 

Actually I had similar problems in SCS1 with Slythe. Sometimes he will go invisible and...just sit there.

 

Weidu log below:

 

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[DavidW]

That doesn't sound good. Will chase... could be something that slipped through.

 

EDIT: a thought: how many people are you playing with? Thieves, iirc, avoid backstabbing anyone protected by Mirror Image or Stoneskin; if the whole party is thus protected, I'm not certain there's a get-out clause to avoid just sitting there. Any chance that's the problem?

[erebusant]

A lot of times if your AC is too low, the darn guys sit there and attack, and attack, and attack, but they just aren't able to hit you. Naturally, they get to cheat and not appear when they are invisible and they make an attack until they actually hit you. My party, all I need to do is breathe threateningly, and voila,,, "Here I am!!! Kill me!!"

[DavidW]

A lot of times if your AC is too low, the darn guys sit there and attack, and attack, and attack, but they just aren't able to hit you. Naturally, they get to cheat and not appear when they are invisible and they make an attack until they actually hit you. My party, all I need to do is breathe threateningly, and voila,,, "Here I am!!! Kill me!!"

 

That's funny - I haven't seen that myself. In my install they attack and miss and go visible.

[coaster]

It's not a mirror image/stoneskin issue - I am playing a solo half-orc F/T.

 

In the Renfield encounter, the thief literally did nothing for a while (it tells you when he attacks your character, which he did - eventually - after about a minute or two of sitting around invisibly). The only effect my character had on was (IIRC) an oil of speed - presumably he wouldn't hang about waiting for something like that to wear off? [he didn't wait 5 turns anyway].

 

A lot of times if your AC is too low, the darn guys sit there and attack, and attack, and attack, but they just aren't able to hit you.

 

Yep - this happens to me too.

 

Seems to be sporadic - in the last (generic) random encounter, the thief behaved properly - hides/drinks potion of invisibility, backstabs, becomes visible. Will keep an eye on things, a good testing ground will be clearing out Mae'var's compound.

[Wisp]

At the risk of embarrassing myself again (); I would agree there's something going on here.

 

So far I've been up against the mugger encounter in the bridge district, a random thug spawn in the docks and the Renfield encounter.

 

Every time, the thieves apparently spawn already invisible (as in, without drinking a potion), with the exception of the one who talks to you in the Bridge district. In all three encounters, at least one of the thieves stood around doing nothing for a while until they finally started attacking. As near as I could tell, my party had nearly walked past (one character was lagging behind) the Docks spawn before the thieves attacked, and even then, 1 or 2 still stood around for another half/whole minute or so. As I recall, they usually spawn some distance ahead of you.

 

Dispelling their invisibility either results in them going invisible again without any notice about a potion being drunk (presumably through the same script that sets their initial invisibility) or by drinking a potion. The generic thieves using ranged attacks retreat/flee when they are initially engaged in melee, one even went through an area transition (entering the barracks in the docks). After a while they switch to a melee weapon.

 

The Renfield thief had his invisibility dispelled roughly 4-5 times, while only drinking 2 potions of invisibility. He didn't start fighting or drinking potions until (I think) my fighters started pressing him (doing so appears to cause the thieves to snap out of their lethargic state).

 

 

About the miss and go visible issue, I found that the thief in the Renfield encounter generally produced the following messages (while standing right next to Minsc and being invisible):

 

Thief: Attacks Minsc

Thief: Attacks Minsc

Thief: Attacks Minsc

Thief: Attacks Minsc

Thief: <to hit roll>: Miss (goes visible)

 

In case it is of any assistance.

[DavidW]

Okay, I can reproduce some of this (not all). I'll upload a new version relatively soon.

[Guest Guest]

Okay, I can reproduce some of this (not all). I'll upload a new version relatively soon.

 

Very small bug here:

 

The description for know alignment seems to read as minor globe of invulnerability. It's also possible this is caused by the latest version of BG2Tweaks, as that's the only other mod I have installed.

[Taimon]

This is a caused by a typo in BG2 Fixpack.