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Problem with Diriel Romance?


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I've run into an odd problem while romancing Diriel-I play very fast, so I normally use the P function to run through the lovetalks as soon as I enter the next chapter. However, I've just reached Kuldahar, and there's no option to talk to Diriel in private-Dalekeeper says the RomanceActive is still at 1. Did I miss something here, or is the fact that Jaemal is still flirting with me causing problems-I fully intend to choose Diriel over Jaemal.

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I think it's normal, you are probably reached the point of the descisive talk that will happen after you will unlock the 'you can now go to the Dragon's Eye' content. Save just in case before reporting back to the druid in Kuldahar (try to give it a few seconds before moving off after talking to the druid to make sure the script triggers), and if Diriel does not ask you to go look at the tree afterwards, then I would like to take a look at your game. Depending on your choices after that Diriel's romance can become commited, and Jaemal's should stop.

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Yeah, hit that talk. All I can say is... that was unexpected. Actually had to redo that scene twice, since the first time, Jaemal left the party. Ended up having to politely terminate the Jaemal romance right before returning to Kuldahar for the siege of the gem.

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I'm pretty sure the romance is still on track (I didn't push Diriel away after the... incident..., or abort, though my initial reaction was to murder him on the spot), but I'll check this evening when I have time. At this point, I'm frightened of where this romance may lead... it's not every romance that results in your protagonist being borderline raped and the first thing the guy says the morning after is that you're pregnant...

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I wouldn't call it a rape O.o. I really don't see the problem - after all, you had more than one chance to say 'no'. And it is not abortion at this stage - few *minutes* later. It's contraception. You don't need any exceptional biological knowledge for this... Plus, Diriel would be definitely against abortion, as an elf (of an elven child, that is --hard to say how he would react to a human one, knowing that he treats humans as animals). And, actually, he is if you try this later in the romance. So, while he plays with some great risks here it is nothing irreversible... Though even with me this badly conceived 'scheme' hit a nerve.

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It seems we are talking nothing but biology today, heh. I am fine with any interpretation, though I made a particular efforts to provide 'no, Diriel' replies. But I did want the shock effect, manipulation and all else. CRPG romance does not have to always be sweet and nice. Both Diriel's and Salomeya's romances are very much 'PC is not in control' romances.

 

But, yeah, I am really hoping to write something in the realm of Good after Deathstalker. True love, true friendship, and a hair-rising escapade.... but for a few more months it's grim and grimer for me. Though I did have a break from the evil texts writing Jaemal's introduction sequence and a certain imp whom I called Faramir for the lack of time to come up with an appropriate name. Dunno though if I will ever get to see Jaemal standing at the end of the pier and slowly turning towards the urchins and then looking up at the PC in the game. :)

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I suppose it was just how heavily I got into my protagonist's mindset as I was playing-she was so entranced by what was happening with the tree that she didn't realize what was actually going on until it was too late. In my mind, if Sir Nord asked her what was she thinking, agreeing to carry Diriel's child, her answer would have been "I wasn't thinking-I *couldn't* think."

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I didn't see any malice or manipulation in Diriel's or Salomeya's actions, by the way. Salomeya was so charming and childish and witty and lonely, and Diriel - well, I cannot imagine a reason or a seduction scene better than that one.

 

And with Diriel, there's this - very rare - thing, this sense that he actually loves the protagonist. If anything, his numerous "I love you" in his later dialogues after the scene diminish this sense somewhat; bring us back to reality. Me, I missed more "Yes, yes!" replies after the scene, because most of them were on the angry side. But I adored it all, naturally.

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It seems we are talking nothing but biology today, heh.

 

Yeah, you know, I am an INTP, I can't stand inconsistency... :)

 

Anyway, I saw mostly confusion and inability* in Diriel's actions and that was particularly endearing to me. While infuriating in the racist theme, in all other contexts his ignorance was rather amusing. And sometimes he has shown a surprising insight into things... If not for the (few) things I already pointed out some time ago, the romance would be *perfect*. It is still my favourite one of any game I have played, and that is saying something (basically that I have a... strange taste, I guess?).

 

(*ambiguous)

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As long as it's fun to play, it's all good :) The whole idea of those games is to create a story about a character, and that character doesn't have to be anything in particular. Relationships with the NPCs is pretty much the best ways to invent the character's personality. Diriel's is the only romance that I didn't write with a couple-three specific PC personalities in mind. I dunno if makes it more versatile. Jaemal's romance is the exact opposite, because I actually was sticking pretty strictly to the 4 different personalities when I wrote it. believe it or not, but a lot of Salomeya's was written for a heroic half-orc, and Peony's - for a Xanish personality in mind. And Rizdaer's was written with one lovely lady in mind, and I wish she could supply the PC's responces, 'cause the said lady has the best sense of humor on the planet :(

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