Items re-allocation

[DrAzTiK]

Just some sugestions about axes re allocation :

 

I think it could be interessing to give Frostreaver +2 to Mencar Pebblecrusher and Stonefire to Arkanis Gath (instead of Rifthome Axe +3).

 

Rifthome Axe +3 could be sell in underdark.

 

The idea is to let people who don't fight with bodhi be able to got a +3 axe in SoA , with is important Imo.

 

I think it shoud be better to give Frosteaver to Mencar (and not Stonefire) in order to make trolls more difficult at the begining of the game and/or force players to buy yours +1 weapons who deals 1d6 fire damage. Coz even if it's nice to give good weapons to tough opponents, I think it's in general a more easy way for good players to gain good weapons instead of buy them.

 

 

As I said before, Tazok could be a good canditate for Spider blane or Flame of the north.

 

While I am on it, I also think that the ring of fire in Firgraak lair is not very usefull for a rakshasa (immune to all party spell at this moment)

[Demivrgvs]

Axes

I think it could be interessing to give Frostreaver +2 to Mencar Pebblecrusher and Stonefire to Arkanis Gath (instead of Rifthome Axe +3).

 

Rifthome Axe +3 could be sell in underdark.

 

The idea is to let people who don't fight with bodhi be able to got a +3 axe in SoA , with is important Imo.

 

I think it shoud be better to give Frosteaver to Mencar (and not Stonefire) in order to make trolls more difficult at the begining of the game and/or force players to buy yours +1 weapons who deals 1d6 fire damage. Coz even if it's nice to give good weapons to tough opponents, I think it's in general a more easy way for good players to gain good weapons instead of buy them.

Isn't Mencar's encounter already full of magical equipment?

 

Regarding Rifthome, I'd like to move it later for various reasons, but I'm afraid of one thing: does Arkanis Gath's AI use it as a ranged weapon?

 

While I am on it, I also think that the ring of fire in Firgraak lair is not very usefull for a rakshasa (immune to all party spell at this moment)

Have you a better place for it in mind? Anyway, I think the ring is there because of the "exploding kobolds" summoned by the rakshasa.

 

 

P.S Azuredge counts as a +3 weapon, even if it should be only +1 against living creatures (non-undead).

[DrAzTiK]

Isn't Mencar's encounter already full of magical equipment

Well we have : cloak of non detection and ring of insibility, Mencar has a normal full plate armor, the barabarian wears a Leather Armors+1 and the the +3 cursed two handed weapon but I don't think we are a lot to use it. We have two +1 weapons and a lghtening wand.

 

But It seems Mencar is fighting with a hammer +1 so it's maybe not good to give him an axe.

But I don't understand at all, when I look mencar CRE with Shadow keeper, I see that he is not specialised in any weapons at all O_o. He got an "arbitrary" 2.5 APR. I think there is many CRE creatures in this case. Sick isn't it ? (Tazok is in the same situation and he got only 1APR ?) Finnally, we could give Mencar a two handed sword, he will still have 2.5 APR. (another problem is that I suppose revisited grand mastery has no effect on these creatures?)

 

 

 

About Arkanis, in vanilla, the axe is in his inventory.... But I think Rogue rebalancing rationalize his proficiencies. (if Avenger can confirm)

[aVENGER_(RR)]

Regarding Rifthome, I'd like to move it later for various reasons, but I'm afraid of one thing: does Arkanis Gath's AI use it as a ranged weapon?

 

Not in RR, nor in the unmodded game.

 

I give him a legal number of proficiency points for his level and a second Short Sword +2 (he already has one) so that he can properly dual wield.

[Demivrgvs]

Isn't Mencar's encounter already full of magical equipment

Well we have : cloak of non detection and ring of insibility, Mencar has a normal full plate armor, the barabarian wears a Leather Armors+1 and the the +3 cursed two handed weapon but I don't think we are a lot to use it. We have two +1 weapons and a lghtening wand.

Well, I consider 3 unique items in one encounter a quite great loot, but if we have a +1 or +2 unique weapon for Mencar I may be fine (unless there's a better place for it).

 

But It seems Mencar is fighting with a hammer +1 so it's maybe not good to give him an axe.

But I don't understand at all, when I look mencar CRE with Shadow keeper, I see that he is not specialised in any weapons at all O_o. He got an "arbitrary" 2.5 APR. I think there is many CRE creatures in this case. Sick isn't it ? (Tazok is in the same situation and he got only 1APR ?) Finnally, we could give Mencar a two handed sword, he will still have 2.5 APR. (another problem is that I suppose revisited grand mastery has no effect on these creatures?)

Actually both Mencar and Tazok are specialized in any weapon using BG1 proficiencies, which still work in BG2. Revised Grand Mastery does affects them.

 

About Arkanis, in vanilla, the axe is in his inventory.... But I think Rogue rebalancing rationalize his proficiencies. (if Avenger can confirm)

Regarding Rifthome, I'd like to move it later for various reasons, but I'm afraid of one thing: does Arkanis Gath's AI use it as a ranged weapon?

Not in RR, nor in the unmodded game.

 

I give him a legal number of proficiency points for his level and a second Short Sword +2 (he already has one) so that he can properly dual wield.

Cool, and good to know! Than I'd say moving the axe to a more appropriate and "available" place would be great.

[Constantine]

Just some sugestions about axes re allocation :

As I said before, Tazok could be a good canditate for Spider blane or Flame of the north.

I suggest you guys not to touch Spiders Bane otherwise it will break one nice quest from the Unfinished Business mod.

 

As for the topic, consider reintroducing Dagger +4, Life-Stealer (Dagg20) to the game by placing it somewhere in the Bodhi's Lair. I know the Cutthroat+4 is there already, but it's just a heavily enchanted short sword without special properties, which limit its usefulness.

 

Edit

Oh, I didnt know that the Cutthroat was changed already by IR. Nevertheless, the Life-Stealer should be placed somewhere

[Demivrgvs]

Just some sugestions about axes re allocation :

As I said before, Tazok could be a good canditate for Spider blane or Flame of the north.

I suggest you guys not to touch Spiders Bane otherwise it will break one nice quest from the Unfinished Business mod.

 

As for the topic, consider reintroducing Dagger +4, Life-Stealer (Dagg20) to the game by placing it somewhere in the Bodhi's Lair. I know the Cutthroat+4 is there already, but it's just a heavily enchanted short sword without special properties, which limit its usefulness.

 

Edit

Oh, I didnt know that the Cutthroat was changed already by IR. Nevertheless, the Life-Stealer should be placed somewhere

Yep, vanilla's Cutthroat was lame.

 

I do planned to restore Life-Stealer, I didn't only because I heard some other mod mess with it too. It's Entreri's dagger, and UB has a component for it which restore the dagger if I'm not wrong. Then I heard of an NPC mod who may re-introduce it too, Xan?

[Constantine]

I do planned to restore Life-Stealer, I didn't only because I heard some other mod mess with it too. It's Entreri's dagger, and UB has a component for it which restore the dagger if I'm not wrong.

Yes, but it is of no concern, because, the truth is, there is no real content behind this UB component. The whole component is rather silly, its just spawns vanilla hostile Artemis during final confrontation with Bodhi, which makes little sense. He is rather weak and obviously is no match for Drizzt, nor the party, in combat, and has no dialogue at all.

 

In other words, do not let this minor "incompatibility" to keep you from reintroducing the dagger in IR

Then I heard of an NPC mod who may re-introduce it too, Xan?

Dont know, let us find out. I never played the Xan mod though, and not planning to play it ether

[Demivrgvs]

As I suggest in the dedicated post: "what about having the Cambion in the Planar Prison wield Dak'kon Zerth's Blade instead of Adjatha The Drinker? I cannot think of a better place for it then a quite powerful fighter/mage you encounter on another Plane! "

 

Then I would have to move Adjatha The Drinker somewhere else, and if there's a Wizard Slayer anywhere in this game this weapon would be perfect for him.

[yarpen]

There's probably only one who shows up in Mage Stronghold's quest. I dunno if he's a good candidate for blade; especially with the fact that sword would be quite usefull for party's wizard slayer.

[Ardanis]

Since there is talk going on about yet more items to be dimension doored to another place, I'll post what I have atm. Some of these changes come from IR v.2.

 

As I can see, Varscona goes to Ribald's stock, and Adjatha/Dakkon's katana swap is in as well. Rifthome, I assume, was decided to be given to Mencar.

 

Anything else I've missed, or any other pearls of wisdom on what to move where?

 

 

 

Unique items re-allocation:

 

Bastard Sword +3 vs. Shapeshifters / Lawgiver

Copper Coronet reward (from Hendak/Lehtinan) -> Temple of Helm, Temple District

 

Halcyon

skeleton in a wall, catacombs, Graveyard district -> Temple of Talos, Temple District

 

Bracers of Defence AC 3

Ribald -> Ribald's special stock

 

Giant Hair Crossbow

Ribald -> Ribald's special stock

 

Robe of Good Archmage

blacksmith in Trademeet -> Ribald

 

Staff of Rynn

Ribald -> drow weaponmaster, Ust Natha

 

Staff of Earth

drow weaponmaster, Ust Natha -> Ribald

 

Blade of Roses

Bernard's special stock -> Temple of Oghma, Docks

 

Mace of Disruption

pool of blood in Bodhi's lair -> Temple of Lathander, Temple District

 

Nymph Cloak

Gorch, Mae'var Guils -> Beherant Diir (made a druid), Umar Hills

 

Azuredge

Bernard's special stock -> Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

 

Staff of Curing

tomb in Graveyard District -> Temple of Ilmater, Waukeen Promenade

 

Glasses of Identification

Arledrian, Gaelan Bayle's house, Slums -> Temple of Oghma, Docks

 

Dwarven Thrower

nobleman merchant in Trademeet -> dwarven armorsmith in Waukeen Promenade

 

Belm

derelict tower, Druid Grove -> Trademeet rakshasa

 

Belt of Hill Giant Strength

Ribald -> Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

Gauntlets of Ogre Strength

halfling, Planar Sphere -> Ribald

Gauntlets of Dexterity

cavern in Unseeing Eye catacombs -> halfling, Planar Sphere

Belt of Frost Giant Strength

death knight, Underdark -> shadow dragon, Temple Ruins

Scroll of Crom Fayer

shadow dragon, Temple Ruins -> death knight, Underdark

 

These five are exactly the mess I was talking about, to give a good fighter type item to Bolumir. DEX gauntlets are no longer a free (almost) loot, halfling has DEX instead of STR, Ribald still has STR item, party still can get another STR item prior Underdark, shadow dragon finally has a treasure worth it, death knight in UD no longer carries three near-top artifacts.

 

Girdle of Piercing

Kalah the gnome -> Bernard's special stock (he already got the ring, and the girdle isn't too expensive either)

 

Fortress shield

Ribald -> sister Garlena, Watcher's Keep

 

Silver Ioun Stone

Amkethran bartender -> Carras, Amkethran

 

Aeger's Hide

Ribald -> Bel Dalemark, Bridge District (he seems to know alot about hides)

 

Greenstone Amulet

beholder lair, Underdark -> drow spellmaster, Ust Natha

 

 

 

 

Unique items added to the game:

 

Robe of Neutral Archmage -> Ribald

Dagger of Venom -> Arledrian, Gaelan Bayle's house, Slums

Longtooth Dagger -> bartender in CHARNAME's guild, thief stronghold

Flail of Submission (IR) -> Ribald

Sword of Balduran (unused version) -> Ribald

Long Bow of Marksmanship -> elf fletcher (restored) in Trademeet

Vampire's Revenge -> pool of blood in Bodhi's lair

Radiant Plate -> Anvil of the Dawn smithy in Trademeet

Albruin -> nobleman merchant in Trademeet

Cloak of Balduran -> Ribald's special stock

Kiel's Buckler -> dwarven armorsmith, Waukeen Promenade

Helm of Darkness -> Raamilat, Suldanessellar (a drow on the surface would really appreciate it)

 

 

 

Unique items with multiple instances of themselves and semi-unique items:

 

Girdle of Bluntness

removed from Temple of Talos, Temple District

removed from Temple of Umberlee, Brynnlaw

added to Ribald

 

Cleric's Staff

removed from Temple of Talos, Temple District

removed from Temple of Umberlee, Brynnlaw

added to Temple of Waukeen, Government District

 

Martial Staff

removed from Jayes, fence in Waukeen Promenade

removed from Black Market Thief, fence in Slums

still available - nobleman merchant, Trademeet

 

Heartseeker Bow

removed from Ribald's special stock

still available - Firkraag's Dungeon, Windspear

 

Ring of Animal Friendship

removed from Temples of Waukeen - Government District, Trademeet, Saradush, Amkethran

removed from Temple of Oghma, Docks

added to Beherant Diir (made a druid), Umar Hills

still available - Ribald

 

Scroll of Protection from Magic

removed from Ribald

added 1 to Ribald's special stock

added 1 to Deidre (made an official magic dealer in Athkatla)

 

Staff of Striking

removed from Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

removed from Temple of Lathander, Temple District

removed from nobleman merchant, Trademeet

added to Temple of Talos, Temple District (destruction domain)

 

Boots of Grounding

removed from Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

removed from Temple of Lathander, Temple District

added to Temple of Talos, Temple District

 

Helm of Charm Protection

removed from Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

removed from Temple of Lathander, Temple District

added to Temple of Helm, Temple District

still available - Harper stronghold, Docks

 

Sword of Flame

removed from Bernard

removed from Bernard's special stock

removed from Ribald

added to elf-type merchant

 

Light Crossbow of Speed

removed from Bernard

still available - Bernard's special stock

 

Ring of Invisibility

added to svirfneblin storekeep, Underdark

 

 

Items from bonus merchants:

Dak'kon's Blade -> Ribald

Plate of Balduran -> Ribald

Shield of Balduran -> Ribald

Vhalior's Helm -> Ribald

Robe of Vecna -> Ribald's special stock

Defender of Eastheaven -> drow weaponmaster, Ust Natha

[yarpen]

Blade of Roses

Bernard's special stock -> Temple of Oghma, Docks

I know that Oghma has charm as his sphere, but Shar does it too so it's a bad argument. This one doesn't fit. Because long sword is Oghma's favourite weapon, maybe you can find any other blade.

 

Staff of Striking

removed from Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

removed from Temple of Lathander, Temple District

removed from nobleman merchant, Trademeet

added to Temple of Talos, Temple District (destruction domain)

Destruction by lightnings, storms - not combat. I'd put it in Bolumir's stock again only.

[Ardanis]

I know that Oghma has charm as his sphere, but Shar does it too so it's a bad argument. This one doesn't fit. Because long sword is Oghma's favourite weapon, maybe you can find any other blade.

Are you sure Shar does? Besides, there really isn't any other long sword in BG sharing something with Oghma. The Ras sword can be associated with bards (who are in Oghma's portfolio), but so does BoR, in addition to the charm domain (CHA bonus).

 

Destruction by lightnings, storms - not combat. I'd put it in Bolumir's stock again only.

You might be right, and Talos already has two other items. Although I think Bolumir shouldn't be the seller either, as not everyone can access him and after some trouble he too is sufficiently supplied.

With that in mind, there's an elven merchant, whom I gave the Sword of Flame (forgetting that it was changed by IR into scimitar ) Guess that'd be the place, as staff's description reveals elven craftsmanship.

 

Periart of Life Protection

What was the consensus on it? Lathander's temple has only MoD as a unique magic item, but it's well powerful and there's another Periart obtainable.

 

Ring of Regeneration

Ribald -> Ilmater?

[Demivrgvs]

Anything else I've missed, or any other pearls of wisdom on what to move where?

For me it will be easier to tell you this when posting the changes, as I'm scrolling and refining each and every item. For example I can tell you that Bala's Axe could be added somewhere, and that Flame of the North should really be moved from Spellhold's Mind Flayer inventory to a pre-Spellhold warrior who can effectively use it against the party!

 

Most of this is great, but you've actually done a lot of things we never discussed. One thing I cannot look so quickly is the global allocation of specific types of items, which is something that must be taken into account. Make sure players can access relatively easy to all types of items as in vanilla some were too difficult (e.g. scimitars could only be found in Trademeet).

 

Let's see...

 

As I can see, Varscona goes to Ribald's stock, and Adjatha/Dakkon's katana swap is in as well. Rifthome, I assume, was decided to be given to Mencar.

Varscona moved to store is correct, but don't swap Adjatha for now (where were you placing it?) because I haven't finished working on Dakkon's Zerth Blade (I don't think I'll manage to work on it today). Rifthome is too heavily enchanted to be given to Mencar...

 

 

Bastard Sword +3 vs. Shapeshifters / Lawgiver

Copper Coronet reward (from Hendak/Lehtinan) -> Temple of Helm, Temple District

What are you placing as Copper Coronet reward instead?

 

 

Robe of Good Archmage

blacksmith in Trademeet -> Ribald

And the evil one?

 

 

Staff of Earth

drow weaponmaster, Ust Natha -> Ribald

If you need a druid weapon for your druid-like store you may put the martial staff here instead.

 

 

Blade of Roses

Bernard's special stock -> Temple of Oghma, Docks

Oghma? It doesn't suit at all imo, your elf-like store or the inn of the bard's stronghold are both more appropriate places.

 

 

Belt of Hill Giant Strength

Ribald -> Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

Gauntlets of Ogre Strength

halfling, Planar Sphere -> Ribald

Gauntlets of Dexterity

cavern in Unseeing Eye catacombs -> halfling, Planar Sphere

Belt of Frost Giant Strength

death knight, Underdark -> shadow dragon, Temple Ruins

Scroll of Crom Fayer

shadow dragon, Temple Ruins -> death knight, Underdark

 

These five are exactly the mess I was talking about, to give a good fighter type item to Bolumir. DEX gauntlets are no longer a free (almost) loot, halfling has DEX instead of STR, Ribald still has STR item, party still can get another STR item prior Underdark, shadow dragon finally has a treasure worth it, death knight in UD no longer carries three near-top artifacts.

What a mess! Anyway:

- I've replaced Gauntlets of Ogre Power's lore with its NWN version tonight, thus they're not unique anymore as it should and they can remain where they were imo. Don't swap them with the Gauntlets of Dexterity because Entu is a "tank" with 18 DEX and with GoOP is much more threatening. If you want to move the GoD find them an archer-like creature or some creature which would at least get +2 AC by wearing them.

- A belt of Giant Strength suit Bolumir much more than Azuredge imo, thus feel free to move there the Girdle of Hill Giant Stregth.

- I actually prefer to simply remove the Girdle of Frost Giant Strength form the Demon Knight and move it elsewhere. The girdle in't even equipped, and good-aligned parties should really avoid this "quest" as it involves a living sacrifice! That's why I've kept only evil-aligned rewards here. Speaking of which, can you make the DK effectively equip both Soul Reaver and Death Armor instead of keeping them in the inventory? That would be nasty.

 

P.S If you want the girdle to be part of Shadow Dragon's loot fine with me, but remember either Crom's scroll or the girdle must be available only post-Spellhold.

 

 

Aeger's Hide

Ribald -> Bel Dalemark, Bridge District (he seems to know alot about hides)

 

Girdle of Bluntness

removed from Temple of Talos, Temple District

removed from Temple of Umberlee, Brynnlaw

added to Ribald

Isn't this belt easily available in the starting dungeon?

 

 

Cleric's Staff & Martial Staff

It's not a problem if there are a couple of them around as they are not unique, but fine with me.

 

 

Scroll of Protection from Magic

removed from Ribald

added 1 to Ribald's special stock

added 1 to Deidre (made an official magic dealer in Athkatla)

As long as we make it rather expensive you can add one to drow spellmaster too.

 

 

Staff of Striking

removed from Bolumir the cleric of Tempus, fighter stronghold

removed from Temple of Lathander, Temple District

removed from nobleman merchant, Trademeet

added to Temple of Talos, Temple District (destruction domain)

If you ask me, one or two powerful unique items per temple are more than enough, as they're not stores. Having Halcyon and Boots of Grounding here is really enough, and I also agree with yarpen that this staff doesn't suit a Stormlord at all.

 

 

Sword of Flame

removed from Bernard

removed from Bernard's special stock

removed from Ribald

added to elf-type merchant

Just so you know this sword is a scimitar now. Where's this store?

 

Light Crossbow of Speed

removed from Bernard

still available - Bernard's special stock

Really nice "fix".

 

Ring of Invisibility

added to svirfneblin storekeep, Underdark

But it's already available from Mencar's encounter...should I work on its lore to make it non-unique?

 

 

Items from bonus merchants:

Dak'kon's Blade -> Ribald

Plate of Balduran -> Ribald

Shield of Balduran -> Ribald

Vhalior's Helm -> Ribald

Robe of Vecna -> Ribald's special stock

Defender of Eastheaven -> drow weaponmaster, Ust Natha

Regarding Vhailor's Helm and Robe of Larloch I have one big doubt, is the re-allocation compatible with SCS respective components?

[Jarno Mikkola]

Periart of Life Protection

What was the consensus on it? Lathander's temple has only MoD as a unique magic item, but it's well powerful and there's another Periart obtainable.

All the temples should have one, a costly one.

 

Besides the sellers should only sell to certain reputation groups(at least their special stock), and have their costs be acquainted to the reputation... so Lathanders a healing spell might cost 100gps for a group that has reputation of 18 , ands the same would be for Talos and a group that has reputation of 3...

Of course the RP explanation can be that the people will be afraid of a group that has it's reputation on the gutter, unlike it now is. Or would you dare to tell to the mob that you'll be selling the hamburgers 1 000 000$/a piece cause their reputation is not the acquainted? But then again, the IR removes the reputation effect from the cost...