Complaint regarding BG1RE content (resolved)

[Glam Vrock]

"This encounter is only recommended if you enjoy roleplaying "a corrupt guard catches a female thief and decides to punish her himself, and she agrees to be punished to avoid arrest" situations. There's nothing too heavy-handed, but be warned: it involves whipping and lots of dirty talk. There's also a sexual encounter - but only if the heroine agrees to it."

Readme, anyone?

 

This is not an excuse. If I submitted a mod called "Forced Encounters", in which Charname can bloodily sodomize a swath through the Sword Coast in pornographic detail, it would be rejected, even though you don't actually have to do it.

 

Readthat, anyone?

[Thimblerig]

Glam - thanks for expressing your concerns directly and courteously.

 

I can't comment directly on the Dirty Guard encounter because I didn't work on it, not even to proofread. (BDSM encounters aren't my cup of tea.) It was my understanding that there were clear exits at every dialogue state?

 

Would more explicit warnings to the nature of the encounter so that you could avoid it have helped?

 

We had play-tested this extensively and not received complaints about that component. I regret that your first experience with our mod was so unpleasant for you. There are many much lighter encounters in the mod, and I hope you're willing to try them out.

 

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Perhaps we could give the writer of the encounter a chance to read this thread and comment?

[Greenhorn]

Again, a man threatens to throw a woman in prison to be gangraped, followed by execution, if she doesn't strip off her clothes and allow him to sexually humiliate and penetrate her. This is in a mod called "Romantic Encounters", and it's intended to be erotic. Please, by all means, give me some ideas on how to sugarcoat that.

 

He threatens!? Is women in question gang raped, executed and left without choice but obey him? "That" is porn, my friend not idly threat.

 

EDIT: agree with Thimblerig, tired of it anyway

[kreso]

Where exactly is "rape porn" in this encounter? Would it be any "better" if there was mutual consent? So you only have "porn"?

It's a specific mod, sure, but far from how you describe it.

Btw, "forced encounters" mod doesn't exist, but something fairly similar for BG2 (with very strong and explicit sexual language) does. To each his own.

 

EDIT:

Ah. Beat me to it.

[Glam Vrock]

Even if this "But we warned you!" argument didn't fall flat, the warning is buried somewhere in the middle of the readme, which is nearly 10,000 words long. Do you seriously expect that players will read up on every single encounter before they install the thing? Do you not think it's possible, even probable, that people will just hit "Install all" and then suddenly be confronted with a pervert trying to force them to strip down under threat of gangrape and death?

[kreso]

Do you seriously expect players that players will read up on every single encounter before they install the thing?

I would.

 

suddenly be confronted with a pervert trying to force them to strip down under threat of gangrape and death?

Mind you, I bet there's a few who'd enjoy it.

[Glam Vrock]

I can't comment directly on the Dirty Guard encounter because I didn't work on it, not even to proofread. (BDSM encounters aren't my cup of tea.) It was my understanding that there were clear exits at every dialogue state?

 

Yeah, it's not "BDSM". It's rape, plain and simple. And again, I already addressed the exit points. Just because the player doesn't have to see the content doesn't excuse it being there.

 

 

He threatens!? Is women in question gang raped, executed and left without choice but obey him? "That" is porn, my friend not idly threat.

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? If an officer of the law abuses his power to coerce a woman into sex, that's not rape in your mind?

[Glam Vrock]

 

Do you seriously expect players that players will read up on every single encounter before they install the thing?

I would.

I didn't ask if "you would." I asked if you think most people would.

 

suddenly be confronted with a pervert trying to force them to strip down under threat of gangrape and death?

Mind you, I bet there's a few who'd enjoy it.

 

 

Oh yeah, women just love being propositioned and threatened by disgusting rapists. What the hell is wrong with you?

[Greenhorn]

 

 

Are you kidding me? If an officer of the law abuses his power to coerce a woman into sex, that's not rape in your mind?

 

Yes, I am. It is. But somehow I don't believe that is the case here.

[kreso]

 

 

Do you seriously expect players that players will read up on every single encounter before they install the thing?

I would.

I didn't ask if "you would." I asked if you think most people would.

You asked "players", not "most people". I am a player, and I can only speak for myself, same as you. So, my "I would" is a perfectly correct statement. What most people would do I don't know, and neither can you since you're not "most people" and do not represent the beliefs, nor opinions of "most people", so debating over that is quite pointless.

From how I see it, if I'm gonna install some amateur work on my computer, yeah, I'm a sucker for Readme files.

 

 

 

 

suddenly be confronted with a pervert trying to force them to strip down under threat of gangrape and death?

Mind you, I bet there's a few who'd enjoy it.

 

 

Oh yeah, women just love being propositioned and threatened by disgusting rapists. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

I wasn't talking "women". You see too much of what isn't there.

[Glam Vrock]

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? If an officer of the law abuses his power to coerce a woman into sex, that's not rape in your mind?

 

Yes, I am. It is. But somehow I don't believe that is the case here.

 

 

Oh yeah, I forgot you hadn't read it, which of course puts you in a perfect position to comment.

[Greenhorn]

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding me? If an officer of the law abuses his power to coerce a woman into sex, that's not rape in your mind?

 

Yes, I am. It is. But somehow I don't believe that is the case here.

 

 

Oh yeah, I forgot you hadn't read it, which of course puts you in a perfect position to comment.

 

Exactly! But this is the last.

[Thimblerig]

Okay - I've opened a discussion thread in the Workroom, Glam. We'll see what we can do to keep everyone happy, hey?

 

In the meantime - the writer of the encounter isn't generally on-line until much later in the day. Can we all give her a chance to read through this and respond before continuing the discussion? Thanks.

[Salk]

I didn't play this mod (yet) but I read the ReadMe file (I fully agree with kreso: ReadMe files ought to be read - They are called ReadMes for a reason and reading them is the least courtesy players can show to modders).

 

The modification warns explicitly about specific content being for Adults. The presence of rape, sexual harassment and non consensual sex in general doesn't imply the author, the mod itself and G3 as community and host condone such events. It's like watching Kubrick's masterpiece Lolita and then accuse the people involved, including the publisher and distributors, to condone pedophilia.

 

As for the graphical depiction, a crude language is also to be expected in those components marked with Adult content. I believe Glam Vrock's second accusation (it should be called "porn", not "romantic") to have weak foundation because it is raised only against the disturbing mod component rather than to rest of the production which present, in many other instances, equally graphic and strong language.

[Sergio]

Are you a social justice warrior? Because to me it seems like so.

No offense, but you didn't even read the readme and installed some content that you didn't enjoy. No one here said that G3 encourages rape.

If I like the Imoen romance, good for me; if you think it is bad because there are "dark" choices, that's your problem. Just do not install it.

Same for this mod.

Edit: Just an edit for clarification. I do not use G3 Romantic encounters, neither for BG1 or BG2. Simply, because I think the game should be free for things like sex and so on, I find sex one of those things that actually breaks the "illusion" of the game's universe. That's why I do not use them.

But that doesn't mean that there aren't players out there that will enjoy the mods the way they are. Why are you trying to force your own point of view ? Makes no sense. Same sheer hate I've seen for the Imoen romance. Who forced those people to use it just for criticizing it? no one.

And please, read the readme.