Unearthed Arcana presents Might & Guile: tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues

[Gwaihir]

So I noticed something weird.. my gallant protagonist is saving against some of my buffs. I'm asking for clues here to know wether it depends on the feat system.

I'm using MnG v4.4.3 on EET. My protagonist has 'mental resilience' and 'unflagging determination' among his feats. Whenever I cast one of the 'morale' spells, he often saves against polymorph and the spell has no effect on him. I tried with Remove fear, Resist fear,  Emotion: courage and Emotion: hope.

Could this be a bug from this mod?

[Jarno Mikkola]

49 minutes ago, Gwaihir said:

...Whenever I cast one of the 'morale' spells, he often saves against polymorph and the spell has no effect on him.

Either or not a creature saves against a spell is definitely dependent on the very spell. It's in the effects save definition, as in, a .spl consist among other things on effects or .eff's which determines this, on it's 0x000d offset.

So a random mod or not, it's not determined by that single mod... unless the mod makes, copies over or patches already existing file.

[Gwaihir]

So... how do I check in Near Infinity if a spell is giving a save to a specific class? If I open a spell there's an 'effects offset' line, is that it?

[Jarno Mikkola]

27 minutes ago, Gwaihir said:

So... how do I check in Near Infinity if a spell is giving a save to a specific class? If I open a spell there's an 'effects offset' line, is that it?

In Near Infinity, you open up the spell (SPL folder, find the specific file etc.) then you go into the edit view... If it's a custom spell from an custom kit or what ever, you need to find the particular one. There's no other options. The Search has a lot of option you can use, but I can't for sure say which is best, so ..

When you have the correct file in the edit view, you then double click the "spell ability 0" or which ever you want to see, that opens up the list of effects to view, and you then double click each one of them at a time and there you can see the Dispel/Resistance and save type. To have the spell totally clear any immunities, and not need saves, it should have these as the default ones:

If something has altered those, you can reset the Value -fields as you like.

To find what mods alters a particular file, you can --change-log the file, but it only can manifest it's weidu history of course.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Jarno Mikkola

[Gwaihir]

55 minutes ago, Jarno Mikkola said:

If something has altered those, you can reset the Value -fields as you like.

Hmm.. do I have to change every single effect in the spell ability 0 tab? Cause there's a lot of them, and pretty different from each other:

Spoiler

 

Also, how does this explain why only my protagonist has to save? All the other party members are fine (unless they made the save every single time I tried).

If it helps, this is the changelog for Resist fear (SPCL104.SPL)

Spoiler

Mods affecting SPCL104.SPL:
00000: /* created or unbiffed */ ~TOMEANDBLOOD/TOMEANDBLOOD.TP2~ 0 14 // Revised Invisibility and True Seeing0.8.45
00001:  ~MIGHT_AND_GUILE/MIGHT_AND_GUILE.TP2~ 0 200 // Feat System4.4.3
00002:  ~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ 0 160 // PnP Undeadv4.53

 

[subtledoctor]

Huh. @Gwaihir I think I see what the problem is. Good news is, it should only affect a few spells (those with effects involving fear/morale - it is supposed to affect offensive Cause Fear spells, looks like it us affecting friendly Cure Fear spells as well), and the fix is easy. Open those spells in Near Infinity and you see those two opcode 318 effects, right at the top? Highlight them and press the “remove” button. With them gone the spells should work fine. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by subtledoctor

[Gwaihir]

Hmm, I did that for SPCL104.spl, and nothing changed. I then did that for SPWI210.SPL (there are 5 different resist fear spells in my install) and it changed one thing: the message 'save vs polymorph' was showed for a few party members too. But they get the immunity to fear regardless, while my protagonist keeps getting it only if he doesn't save.

[subtledoctor]

Whoops, I misspoke. You need to remove the two leading 318 effects, and the two 177 effects immediately following them. (The 177 effects should have “resource” fields that start with “d5”)

[Gwaihir]

Done! Resist fear works properly now. I guess now I need to do the same for every other morale spell, right? Isra's 'remove fear' has the same issue.

Thank you Doc.

[subtledoctor]

Yeah. There should only be so many Remove Fear-style spells...

[subtledoctor]

Question:

Most bard kits get as number of extra spells automatically added to their spellbooks. For the Skald it's stuff like Defensive Harmony and Flame Blade, for the Gallant it's stuff like Pro Evil 10' and Cure Disease, for the Meistersinger it's stuff like Entangle and Animal Summoning.  For the pure Bard, it is sound-based spells like Sound Burst, Shout, Command, etc. 

-- It kind of irks me that the Skald and Gallant and Jester and Blade and Meistersinger et al. are bards, but they don't get the special bard spells.

-- On the other hand, if they got the Bard spells, then the "pure-class" Bard would be at a distinct disadvantage.

I'm not sure how to square this.  What do people think about giving those Bard spells to every bard kit, and giving the "pure" Bard an extra spell slot per level?  It would be sort of like a wizard specialist: not as many known spells, but more castings per day.

Thoughts?

[Endarire]

To clarify, which Bard spells go to which kits?

Getting extra spell slots is handy.  What about giving them extra proficiencies, Lore, skill points, HP,  saves, or something to distinguish themselves?  For example, what about giving them a level-based scaling luck bonus to everything?

[4udr4n]

Installing this on BG2EE after SR, DR (kits and revisions only), TnB & FnP (before multiclass) I'm getting a few warnings:

Component 210: "WARNING: no effects altered on SPPR429.spl"

I have no idea what that spell might be.

Component 220: "WARNING: Internal ability name too long [D5_NUMAT]. Skipping." & "WARNING: Internal ability name too long [D5_NUMAT]. Skipping."

Again no idea what these are.

Any suggestions?

Let me know if logs are needed.

[subtledoctor]

Sounds harmless. Should be working fine. 

[4udr4n]

No worries.

 

What are those internal ability names?