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Ascension 2.0.8 out; report bugs here

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Sorry that sounded harsher than I meant it. Just trying to say that Ascension 2.0.9 has quite a few nasty bugs right now and can't be left in a state like this for so long, being one of Baldur's Gate's main mods. Since the author has much better shit to do right now, it should be up to *other people* to at least provide a lab branch for Ascension so that some people can fix and eventually use it, but more importantly so that David Gaider will only need to verify and pull the code changes with little effort when the time will come. I don't think we should expect parenting a newborn not to suck out energy and most modding time for the next two years, especially since there are other things more important than modding responsibilities when a break can be taken from both kids and work, namely taking care of the couple, friend relationships and generally changing pace.
As an outsider with little involvement in this and no trust from the author, it's not my place to take an initiative, but I would contribute reporting and then fixing the bugs I noted down in a way the community feels like it's the right approach.

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Hello! Found a bug while installing Ascension 2.0.8 and the Imoen Romance 3.9.6 mod. There is a condition in the bimoen25.d file that starts a conversation with Imoen about the forces of Bhaal (dialogue number 91)

ADD_STATE_TRIGGER bimoen25 91 ~Global("YagaShuraHeart1","GLOBAL",2)~

But in Imoen Romance, this dialogue is tied to Gromnir’s death and is forcibly started 15 minutes after his death (in bhaaltalks.d file). At this moment, the value of the variable YagaShuraHeart1 can in no way be equal to 2. And if both mods are installed at the same time, then the dialog tries to start, but cannot. The dialogue freezes, there is a problem with the movement of the player and Imoen, it is impossible to save and relax (the game constantly remains in the dialogue mode, but it cannot start). The second check of the variable in this file (for dialog 100) also causes a conflict with Imoen Romance.

To do this, you need to replace the lines in the bimoen25.d file with these: 

ADD_STATE_TRIGGER BIMOEN25 91 ~Dead("Gromnir")~
ADD_STATE_TRIGGER bimoen25 100 ~Dead("Yaga01")~

And also replace the verification data in the imoe25.baf file.

In this case, the conflict with the "Imoen romance" mod will be resolved (even while installing the Romance and the component "Improved Imoen-Player interaction" from Ascension).

In the attachment, these two files are modified (ready to be replaced).

Ascension fix Imoen Romance.rar

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Austin, thanks for reporting the bug. Wouldn't it be better just not to install the improved imoen-player interaction? 

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On 5/9/2020 at 9:23 PM, Guest guest said:

Austin, thanks for reporting the bug. Wouldn't it be better just not to install the improved imoen-player interaction? 

It may be so, but the correction that I wrote about will eliminate the incompatibility of the mods and allow you to install them together in full. I do not insist on making these changes. If the authors of the mod consider it necessary, they will include it. I just wrote about the problem and proposed a solution, but maybe it will not be useful to them or they will find a more correct option. In the meantime, for players it is better not to install the "Improved imoen-player interaction" component, as you said.

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On 4/24/2020 at 2:30 PM, Guest Guest Oob said:

Sorry that sounded harsher than I meant it. Just trying to say that Ascension 2.0.9 has quite a few nasty bugs right now and can't be left in a state like this for so long, being one of Baldur's Gate's main mods. Since the author has much better shit to do right now, it should be up to *other people* to at least provide a lab branch for Ascension so that some people can fix and eventually use it, but more importantly so that David Gaider will only need to verify and pull the code changes with little effort when the time will come. I don't think we should expect parenting a newborn not to suck out energy and most modding time for the next two years, especially since there are other things more important than modding responsibilities when a break can be taken from both kids and work, namely taking care of the couple, friend relationships and generally changing pace.
As an outsider with little involvement in this and no trust from the author, it's not my place to take an initiative, but I would contribute reporting and then fixing the bugs I noted down in a way the community feels like it's the right approach.

I'm not David Gaider. (He led the team that wrote the mod, but hasn't been involved in maintaining it for about 20 years.)

I may have a window in the next few days to do an Ascension fix. No promises though. Just going through the buglist now. (The more egregious bugs here are with Wheels of Prophecy, which of course is also my mod but which is going to require a rather more systematic set of fixes.)

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@DavidWwere you able to detect\reproduce the issue with Amelyssan and balthazar dialogue and cutscene happening out of the monastery?
 

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That's a Wheels of Prophecy issue, not an Ascension issue. (Also, I haven't managed to reproduce any of these issues, because the 'window in the next few days' has only opened a few minutes ago :) )

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OK, I have the following list of issues culled from this forum and Beamdog:

Bugs:

Main character gets transform power before SH (main thread: Christian, 8/12)
Imoen keeps repeating her 'almost jumping at player's throat' and 'becoming the reaper' conversations (main thread: Drakensang, 8/14)
Non-EE install: warning because SPERMEL isn't being modified (main thread: Heeb, 2/15)
Improved Slayer transformation gets granted 52x/day (main thread: InKal, 3/2)
Very weird install-time problem with iconv (31315-installation-error)
Are we shipping the W64 exe, and if so, do we need to? (30891-win32)
Some challenge rewards may not be being granted (beamdog thread: histaminii, August 2019)

Probably not bugs:

Can't find splstate (main thread: Guest vic, 12/19) - probably too-early a version of EE

Compatibility:

Problems with Iylos, Edwin, Wheels(!), LR being unable to find BALTH2 (main thread: Arthas, 9/27)
Issue with Imoen Romance (main thread: Austin, 5/9)
Install issue with 'cdheld.eff' missing, on a stack of mods (30894-installation-error)

If you read this in the next day or two and see something I've missed, call it out.

Also, if someone who uses Imoen Romance can give me a reliable URL for the current (or latest) version, it would be helpful (I recall previously having some trouble working out which it was).

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2 minutes ago, DavidW said:

Problems with Iylos

If you tell me how I will update Iylos NPC accordingly if needed for compatibility.

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38 minutes ago, Arthas said:

Yes, this is the latest version (but there is one of the edits that is not yet officially included). The latest official version is here, it was updated and uploaded only today: http://www.blindmonkey.org/imoen/files/Imoen Romance Multi-language.rar

Here is the name of the file that conflicts with Ascension (namely, the
"Improved Imoen-player interaction" component) - imoenRomance\dialogues\TOB\BhaalTalks\BhaalTalks.d. There are other timers for launching dialogues with Imoen about the forces of Bhaal than in Ascension.

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I'd rather work with the latest official release, not prerelease edits - so I'll use Austin's link. Thanks to both.

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...okay, going through this, the only significant reproducible bug I can find is that the Slayer power gets granted (and regranted, and regranted...) if you go to Watcher's Keep in SoA.

I've fixed that locally, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something - various people on this thread suggested that there are much more serious issues than this. eg. Oob: "more than a dozen bugs",  "Just trying to say that Ascension 2.0.9 has quite a few nasty bugs right now". Any thoughts? 

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34 minutes ago, DavidW said:

...okay, going through this, the only significant reproducible bug I can find is that the Slayer power gets granted (and regranted, and regranted...) if you go to Watcher's Keep in SoA.

I've fixed that locally, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something - various people on this thread suggested that there are much more serious issues than this. eg. Oob: "more than a dozen bugs",  "Just trying to say that Ascension 2.0.9 has quite a few nasty bugs right now". Any thoughts? 

For what it's worth, I've played through the whole thing without any issues. My mod lists tend to be pretty moderate however, so I haven't used Wheels, Imoen romance etc., and I always do WK in ToB so maybe I've just been lucky in avoiding bugs. :p

In any case this version of Ascension is in a far better state than the previous ports from Beamdog forums which had some bosses (Abazigal's humanoid form, Demogorgon) completely broken.

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Hi @DavidW, can you confirm whether the fix components of Jimfix are deprecated with newer versions of Ascension & SCS? I recognise that Jimfix is not your mod, but GrimJim is unresponsive.

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