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Guest Yovaneth

Arrived here by curiosity to see what Jastey et. al. are up to; after so long it is good to see this mod finally surfacing.

I regret to confirm that the main areas in the 'other' mod are used without consent from either myself or Cuv. Stolen, in other words, as Jastey was the only one to whom I gave permission to use my areas. Ask either of those two 'mod authors' to produce the original area artwork. The response (or more likely, the lack of it) could be interesting.

Keep safe, adventurers.

-Y-

 

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1 hour ago, Guest Yovaneth said:

I regret to confirm that the main areas in the 'other' mod are used without consent from either myself or Cuv. Stolen, in other words, as Jastey was the only one to whom I gave permission to use my areas. Ask either of those two 'mod authors' to produce the original area artwork. The response (or more likely, the lack of it) could be interesting.

Then I'll presume you can say with confidence that your area is not using any of the original games assets ? Cause I see the bridge leading up to the place to be of questioning that confidence. Remember, that can be said with confidence to be copyrighted material... while mods do not gain that distinction just cause it's featured. So if you use a copy, you do not can the credit of creation of that and can then deny others from using the same asset.

Just let it go.

Yes, you did a good job, have a pat on your back. -no knife, I swear.

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It’s seems the main point of contention is not wether the other two had a right to make a mod about the Seatower, but if they had a right to use the art created by Cuv and Yovaneth. The answer to that is, they don’t.

Speaking as someone that actually had to study collage law in school, they could claim the work as an original collage piece of art. Since it looks like their was some photoshopping going on.

To take it a step further, Beamdog states on their forum “everything created with Infinity Engine resources is more or less proprietary to the owners of that engine, mods are the property of their respective authors”. They also say “Using someone else’s work in your own work without their permission is stealing” and “Developers follow these same rules; we don’t use a mod or a resource without first obtaining permission from its creator”.

The other two are not using original game assets, they are using the original collage artwork and mod resources of others without permission. Per Beamdog, that is stealing.

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/19418/a-quick-note-about-copyright

For the record, I'm really looking forward to this mod. Amazing video BTW.

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7 minutes ago, Brokenkatana said:

“everything created with Infinity Engine resources is more or less proprietary to the owners of that engine, mods are the property of their respective authors..

Thing is, these are not originally only Infinity Engine resources, but they are bits and pieces reassembled into another pile of resources. As should you know, Rabain did the at least the original map, in photoshop, based on the BG1 maps from the original game. Or had a BGT with or without the -weidu game and extraced them from there, or Tutu or what have you.

Also, what happened between BG1 and today is, the Blackisle Studio had a bankruptcy, it's assets were sold, and those were reshuffled to the todays Atari, after a lawsuit, also it's not the Atari from years ago that also had a bankrupcy, but a new one. At which point Beamdog licensed the product from Atari, with the Overhaul Games.

Also I have to compliment your cutting of the occurd " The modding community thrives when people collaborate (and we encourage that collaboration)," text from that, as that's the WHOLE point I was making.

The other is that you have no legal point to stand on, so you might as well do what is asked of you, forget bout this. As in "Just let it go."

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I have read the original forum posts on Spellhold (if I’m not mistaken), but I believe we are talking about all the area art being used by the other two. Which I believe was created by Cuv. However if you just want to stick with the Seatower, Rabain’s version is different from what I’ve seen here. Thus I would say this is an original piece of collage art. The maps being used by the other two appear to be directly taken from this version. Thus, not an original piece.

The bankruptcy of Blackisle Studio has little to do with Beamdog’s ability set rules for the modding community, as you point out, they’ve licensed the product.

You sort of defeat your argument by quoting “the modding community thrives when people collaborate”, because collaboration is not theft. Thus why I posted that link. I believe the modders that have worked on this through the years should be allowed to voice their opinion if they feel they’ve been wronged and you should heed your own advice and “just let it go” when they do. ;)

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Hi Yovaneth, nice to see you!

Yovaneth made the main tower area from scratch, it's not Rabain's although it might look similar if Yovaneth took Rabain's first scetch as orientation. Either way, Rabain agreed to his artwork being used by the original tower team.

@Jarno Mikkola

 there is something called copyright and it does also apply to own ideas and creations, and yes also for mods. Stop saying that using artwork from someone else - and pretending it's yours on top of it - would be totally ok.

To use your own words: let it go, Jarno. I will not tolerate such a discussion in this thread. Great to see that you would be cool with a team member you opened the hidden workroom to taking your work and publishing it as his, I do not share this feeling and neither do any of the other old team and seeing it spelled out is more than annoying.

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Guest Yovaneth

Hello Jastey 😀 You still have my email address if you need clarification on anything at all.

This is just an FYI as I have no intention of continuing beyond this. As will become apparent when the mod is released, somewhere between 20% and 25% of the textures and area assets are new i.e. they don't owe anything to the original Bioware assets. Secondly, thank you Brokenkatana for the elucidation on collage art. I also believe (but IANAL) it also comes under derivative works as more than 10% of the original has been changed in some shape or form. Under both of these definitions (and also under Beamdog's definitions) what was done by the other team was pure theft.

Had the other mod been a good mod, I would have shrugged it off and said nothing. To see something that I spent many hundreds of hours creating being used in what I (i.e. my own opinion and no-one else's) consider to be a very poor mod tends to sting a bit. If I had simply abandoned the artwork to all and sundry I would have no moral ground whatsoever to stand on and no right to say anything but I did not; I handed it all to Jastey for her to use as she saw fit.

Thank you all for listening. I have tried to present a balanced view of it because I really do not want to ignite a flame war.

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Thanks, Yovaneth!

I think the decision of the people using stolen artwork not to take their mod down gives more insight than anything we could say about this.

We will continue working on the mod and make it a good one!

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Guest looking forward to this

I have been waiting this mod for years now. Are they inviting people to beta test it still?

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