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Criticism of SCS mod

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@DavidW Regarding Maze, you've included a console option to prevent Mazing the protagonist but I don't think it's working as intended, the SSL block is as follows:

IF TRIGGER
        IgnoreBlock(IsBG1Only)
	RequireBlock(Indiscriminate)
	TargetBlock(EnemiesInOrder)
	TriggerBlock(Maze|SpellTurn|MR|Helpless|SIConjuration)
	Range(scstarget,6)
	OR(2)
		InPartySlot(scstarget,1) // isn't Player 1
		Global("DMWWMazePlayer","GLOBAL",0)
	/*slowspell*/
THEN DO
	Action(Spell,WIZARD_MAZE|150|50)
END

This returns true - the Maze spell is cast - if the Global Variable "DMWWMazePlayer" is unset and/or if the target is the protagonist, in other words it will still be cast on a solo character regardless of what the player does with the console. Maze is also defined as a "slow" spell although it's actually rather fast, it has a casting time of three segments.

I think the solo-friendly block should look as follows:

IF TRIGGER
        IgnoreBlock(IsBG1Only)
	RequireBlock(Indiscriminate)
	TargetBlock(EnemiesInOrder)
	TriggerBlock(Maze|SpellTurn|MR|Helpless|SIConjuration)
	Range(scstarget,6)
	OR(2)
		!InPartySlot(scstarget,1) // isn't Player 1
		NumInPartyAliveGT(1)
THEN DO
	Action(Spell,WIZARD_MAZE|150|50)
END

 

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22 hours ago, CamDawg said:

Charm does as well.

I'm less concerned by that. Charm actually ought to end your adventure, whereas as Ludwig says, Maze on a solo character is just a time-out. (Also, Charm gives a saving throw.)

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44 minutes ago, DavidW said:

I'm less concerned by that. Charm actually ought to end your adventure, whereas as Ludwig says, Maze on a solo character is just a time-out. (Also, Charm gives a saving throw.)

Also, it, as well as a couple of other things like feeblemindedness and death effects, have good counters: Maze/Imprisonment do not (and yeah, Maze isn't supposed to kill to begin with).

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I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling but the mod permanently broke the text in this game. A lot of the random floating dialogue, as well as the +1 ammo and various high-level items and spells all have their description boxes showing totally random quotes from all over the game, it really is a mess. For example I can't read the description for a spell called "Mantle" so I have no idea what it does. Being unfamiliar with so many high level spells because the text is jacked up has compromised my ability to finish the game.

 I think I closed the SCS install program halfway through and there's no way to reverse the damage.

Anyways I'm almost done with the game, but I really had to cheat towards the end.

The real problem is that I can't see the status of the enemy buffs and stats so I have no idea which spells I'm countering. Does this just take a massive amount of metagaming? I can't keep track of the layers of different protection spells and the various removal spells like Spellstrike, thrust, etc. don't even seem to work , it is overwhelming and frustrating to deal with, I can't really try to figure out if I'm not having any fun at all and keep wanting to scream in frustration. So I'll just cheat because I can...

As a new player to the series I wish I skipped Dragonspear because you can tell all of Beamdog's writing additions don't really fit in with the original game and were unnecessary. Getting through SoD -- so much filler gameplay -- was exhausting that I am so burnt out now at the end of ToB. I should have skipped the Beamdog stuff to get the authentic Baldur's Gate experience.

I'm taking on Melissa final boss tomorrow, might switch to Easy again, because I've spent 6 hours on boss battles before... I need to finally retire from this game.

But I still prefer the mystifying difficulty and convoluted spell/item system to the way they make RPGs now, where there is no challenge whatsoever. 

I think I'll move on to Daggerfall Unity, I can't get enough of these ridiculous old RPGs

oh and I never played Planescape either

Edited by Splicer_777

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1 hour ago, Splicer_777 said:

but the mod permanently broke the text in this game

Nope. I have the mod installed (plus 110 other ones) and the text is fine. You broke the text when you shut down the installer. The right thing to do after that is to start over from a completely clean reinstallation of the game - not to try again installing mods on the now-broken game. 

That’s not your fault - this game is as old as the hills, and wasn’t built with modding in mind, so the tools are unusually finicky. But, neither is it the fault of this mod, which works fine when installed correctly.

1 hour ago, Splicer_777 said:

The real problem is that I can't see the status of the enemy buffs and stats so I have no idea which spells I'm countering. Does this just take a massive amount of metagaming?

To some extent, yes. More specifically, you are meant to play the game unmodded a time or three, with the 266-page manual open next to your keyboard. And once you have mastered all the mechanics, only then install SCS which is like a test of how well you really mastered them.

Some people get a kick out of jumping right into games on the hardest difficulty, but BG2 doesn’t reward that. Playing Insane with SCS your first time out is just asking for frustration. (Even moreso if you bork the game text beforehand :wallbash:)

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18 hours ago, Splicer_777 said:

I think I closed the SCS install program halfway through and there's no way to reverse the damage.

There is, you need to uninstall the game and then remove the game folder, as this will remove every trace of the moded content from the game, and then just reinstall the game back, then reinstall the mods and you are done. Well, except you need to start a new game of course.

 

16 hours ago, subtledoctor said:

That’s not your fault .... But, neither is it the fault of this mod,

Then who's fault is it ? ps, it's the users.

 

16 hours ago, subtledoctor said:

this game is as old as the hills,

Right, you know, I live near a hill that's quite recent, it was formed during the last iceage, which was about from 115 to 11 -thousand years ago, so please excuse me if I don't believe you quite that easily. Cause you got yourself some aliens if you say that there was a computer then.

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