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1. Hardiness and Greater Deathblow can only be taken once.

I do not understand the logic here since Crit Strike will simply soak up those unused points and make fighters even more fragile in higher levels, it makes martial multi-classes more reliant on spells and once per rest abilities, incentivizing rest spam and it further reinforces the Dwarven Defender as the premier tank, even without the DD stance HLAs.

If a deliberate decision, I suggest very clearly labelling them as such in the readme and in-game descriptions.

2. Janky "Improved NPC Customization and Management"

a. When recruiting dual classed NPCs, the option "Abandon original class" only removes the effect that shows up in the effect list and not the actual flag.

eg. Recruiting Imoen in SoA, abandoning her original class and reclassing her to a multi-class mage/thief will act like a dual class thief->mage with an inactive level 0 thief as her original class.

b. When re-recruiting altered NPCs in later campaigns, the NPCs have their base HP set to 1.

eg. Re-recruiting a multi-classed Viconia in SoD will have her at the correct levels with all previously learned spells but only single digit HP.

c. Recruitable Baeloth (BAELOTH and BAELOT7) has no spells known, but does have drow Faerie Fire and blindness/dazzled status when appropriate.

I assume the drow stuff is all added via script since it doesn't appear in the .cre files.

d. Changing NPCs that start as a ranger into another class does not remove the 2 free pips in two-weapon fighting. Changing a non-ranger to ranger then changing to something else removes pips as expected.

3. Cleric/Ranger multi-classes are either not correctly gaining spells per their ranger spheres or the class no longer respects the cleric/ranger spell config tweak and is cutting off at low spell circles.

Losing Ironskin is fine since you get all the nice cleric spells, but losing Insect Plague as well makes the combo a bit pointless vs Fighter/Cleric.

4. Multi-class Fighter/(Specialist Mages), and presumably other Fighter/Kit combinations, do not benefit from the "Wider Access to Grand Mastery" tweak, and are stuck at specialization.

I think that it is the fighter class/kit that should determine proficiency caps unless otherwise specified, especially since some of the mage kits can have some pretty crippling drawbacks.

5. "Allow Monks to Use Staffs" forces all characters to take on the appearance of human clerics when they equip a quarterstaff, not just monks.

 

 

 

Added my weidu log in case some of the wonkyness is actually a conflict.

 

EDIT: I can't read, apparently. The larger point still stands though.

WeiDU.log

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I can't read, apparently
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11 hours ago, rigidjelly said:

1. Hardiness and Greater Deathblow can only be taken once.

I do not understand the logic here since Crit Strike will simply soak up those unused points and make fighters even more fragile in higher levels, it makes martial multi-classes more reliant on spells and once per rest abilities, incentivizing rest spam and it further reinforces the Dwarven Defender as the premier tank, even without the DD stance HLAs.

If a deliberate decision, I suggest very clearly labelling them as such in the readme and in-game descriptions.

Direct answer from DavidW as i didn't saw it myself.

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I'll need to look at the rest of these reports in more detail (and I'm still traveling so it may be a while) but I can do this one quickly: it isn't a bug. Read the revised description of Greater Whirlwind (and Greater Deathblow): it should say that selecting it upgrades your Whirlwind Attacks / Deathblows. So once you've selected 'Greater Whirlwind', all your Whirlwinds should function as Greater Whirlwinds.

 

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20 hours ago, rigidjelly said:

Well thats embarrassing. Maybe an extra explicit "this is solely an UPGRADE" on the skill upgrades for numpties like me who evidently cant read.

Or I could just RTFM.

That's an interesting idea, because we were already two people that got this misunderstanding, it would be quite good to add a little thing in the description to maybe avoid that ? It's not a big problem though, but that maybe could avoid too much false bug reports.

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Real multi-class druids (not fake cleric kit druids) still receive HLAs at level 14 (2.7mil using the cleric xp table).

Real single class druids get them at level 16/1.8mil though, which was quite amusing.

-EDIT-

The script(s) that set main character xp at the start of new games in later chapters is wonky with saving and loading.

Starting in SoA, consoling xp to something high, then loading the save made at chapter start will bump up the xp to the cheated number. Exiting and restarting the game and then loading the save functions correctly.

Weidu log is same as OP in case this is an EET thing.

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LUNUMAB looks like this

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2DA V1.0
0
                    FIRST_LEVEL         RATE                CHANGE_LEVEL        NEW_RATE
MAGE                2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER             2                   1                   99                  1
CLERIC              2                   1                   99                  1
THIEF               2                   1                   99                  1
BARD                2                   1                   99                  1
PALADIN             2                   1                   99                  1
DRUID               2                   1                   99                  1
RANGER              2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_MAGE        2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_CLERIC      2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_THIEF       2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_MAGE_THIEF  2                   1                   99                  1
MAGE_THIEF          2                   1                   99                  1
CLERIC_MAGE         2                   1                   99                  1
CLERIC_THIEF        2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_DRUID       2                   1                   99                  1
FIGHTER_MAGE_CLERIC 2                   1                   99                  1
CLERIC_RANGER       2                   1                   99                  1
SORCERER            2                   1                   99                  1
MONK                2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2FIGHTER       2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2MAGE          2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2CLERIC        2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2RANGER        2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2DRUID         2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI2THIEF         2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI3FIGHTER       2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI3MAGE          2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI3THIEF         2                   1                   99                  1
MULTI3CLERIC        2                   1                   99                  1
SHAMAN              2                   1                   99                  1

I assumed this was due to prep work for the low level abilities component I didn't install, and that the actual mechanism for determining correct hla levels is generated on install and located elsewhere.

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Ah. So the low-level abilities are a repurpose of the old high-level ability mechanics, and high-level abilities use something else.

Still, the whole thing is supposed to be modular; HLAs should be granted at an appropriate level whether you install the feats component or not. And as it is now, the druid XP table component makes no effort to adjust the level needed for HLAs at all.

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Further HLA acquisition issues

1 Pure mages need level 19/3.375mil

2 Multi-class mage/druids need druid level 16/3.6mil

3 Thieves (tested with a shadowdancer) need level 25/3.3mil

4 Multi-class fighter/clerics need fighter level 15/3.5mil

I think something has gone wonky.

EDIT

A very quick glance at the xp table looks to me like everyone is getting HLAs 1 level later than they should, except druids/fake druids which have extra jank going on.

Here the table in case I'm just blind

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2DA      V1.0
-1
         1        2        3        4        5        6        7        8        9        10       11       12       13       14       15       16       17       18       19       20       21       22       23       24       25       26       27       28       29       30       31       32       33       34       35       36       37       38       39       40       41       42       43       44       45       46       47       48       49       50       51
MAGE     0        2500     5000     10000    20000    40000    60000    90000    135000   250000   375000   750000   1125000  1500000  1875000  2250000  2625000  3000000  3375000  3750000  4125000  4500000  4875000  5250000  5625000  6000000  6375000  6750000  7125000  7500000  7875000  8250000  8625000  9000000  9375000  9750000  10125000 10500000 10875000 11250000 11625000 12000000 12375000 12750000 13125000 13500000 13875000 14250000 14625000 15000000 -1
FIGHTER  0        2000     4000     8000     16000    32000    64000    125000   250000   500000   750000   1000000  1250000  1500000  1750000  2000000  2250000  2500000  2750000  3000000  3250000  3500000  3750000  4000000  4250000  4500000  4750000  5000000  5250000  5500000  5750000  6000000  6250000  6500000  6750000  7000000  7250000  7500000  7750000  8000000  8250000  8500000  8750000  9000000  9250000  9500000  9750000  10000000 10250000 10500000 -1
PALADIN  0        2250     4500     9000     18000    36000    75000    150000   300000   600000   900000   1200000  1500000  1800000  2100000  2400000  2700000  3000000  3300000  3600000  3900000  4200000  4500000  4800000  5100000  5400000  5700000  6000000  6300000  6600000  6900000  7200000  7500000  7800000  8100000  8400000  8700000  9000000  9300000  9600000  9900000  10200000 10500000 10800000 11100000 11400000 11700000 12000000 12300000 12600000 -1
RANGER   0        2250     4500     9000     18000    36000    75000    150000   300000   600000   900000   1200000  1500000  1800000  2100000  2400000  2700000  3000000  3300000  3600000  3900000  4200000  4500000  4800000  5100000  5400000  5700000  6000000  6300000  6600000  6900000  7200000  7500000  7800000  8100000  8400000  8700000  9000000  9300000  9600000  9900000  10200000 10500000 10800000 11100000 11400000 11700000 12000000 12300000 12600000 -1
CLERIC   0        1500     3000     6000     13000    27500    55000    110000   225000   450000   675000   900000   1125000  1350000  1575000  1800000  2025000  2250000  2475000  2700000  2925000  3150000  3375000  3600000  3825000  4050000  4275000  4500000  4725000  4950000  5175000  5400000  5625000  5850000  6075000  6300000  6525000  6750000  6975000  7200000  7425000  7650000  7875000  8100000  8325000  8550000  8775000  9000000  9225000  9450000  -1
DRUID    0        1500     3000     6000     13000    27500    55000    110000   225000   450000   675000   900000   1125000  1350000  1575000  1800000  2025000  2250000  2475000  2700000  2925000  3150000  3375000  3600000  3825000  4050000  4275000  4500000  4725000  4950000  5175000  5400000  5625000  5850000  6075000  6300000  6525000  6750000  6975000  7200000  7425000  7650000  7875000  8100000  8325000  8550000  8775000  9000000  9225000  9450000  -1
THIEF    0        1250     2500     5000     10000    20000    40000    70000    110000   160000   220000   440000   660000   880000   1100000  1320000  1540000  1760000  1980000  2200000  2420000  2640000  2860000  3080000  3300000  3520000  3740000  3960000  4180000  4400000  4620000  4840000  5060000  5280000  5500000  5720000  5940000  6160000  6380000  6600000  6820000  7040000  7260000  7480000  7700000  7920000  8140000  8360000  8580000  8800000  -1
BARD     0        1250     2500     5000     10000    20000    40000    70000    110000   160000   220000   440000   660000   880000   1100000  1320000  1540000  1760000  1980000  2200000  2420000  2640000  2860000  3080000  3300000  3520000  3740000  3960000  4180000  4400000  4620000  4840000  5060000  5280000  5500000  5720000  5940000  6160000  6380000  6600000  6820000  7040000  7260000  7480000  7700000  7920000  8140000  8360000  8580000  8800000  -1
SORCERER 0        2500     5000     10000    20000    40000    60000    90000    135000   250000   375000   750000   1125000  1500000  1875000  2250000  2625000  3000000  3375000  3750000  4125000  4500000  4875000  5250000  5625000  6000000  6375000  6750000  7125000  7500000  7875000  8250000  8625000  9000000  9375000  9750000  10125000 10500000 10875000 11250000 11625000 12000000 12375000 12750000 13125000 13500000 13875000 14250000 14625000 15000000 -1
MONK     0        1500     3000     6000     13000    27500    55000    110000   225000   450000   675000   900000   1125000  1350000  1575000  1800000  2025000  2250000  2475000  2700000  2925000  3150000  3375000  3600000  3825000  4050000  4275000  4500000  4725000  4950000  5175000  5400000  5625000  5850000  6075000  6300000  6525000  6750000  6975000  7200000  7425000  7650000  7875000  8100000  8325000  8550000  8775000  9000000  9225000  9450000  -1
SHAMAN   0        2500     5000     10000    20000    40000    60000    90000    135000   250000   375000   750000   1125000  1500000  1875000  2250000  2625000  3000000  3375000  3750000  4125000  4500000  4875000  5250000  5625000  6000000  6375000  6750000  7125000  7500000  7875000  8250000  8625000  9000000  9375000  9750000  10125000 10500000 10875000 11250000 11625000 12000000 12375000 12750000 13125000 13500000 13875000 14250000 14625000 15000000 -1

 

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xp table, I am dumb
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