Andyr Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Caedwyr has made quite a list here, and NiGHTMARE has done some stuff in the workrooms too. I thought I'd share my thoughts. Mostly I want variety but not billions of redundant choices. Good Ideas Human: Standard Tiefling (Baatezu) - 5% fire resist, +1 INT. Tiefling (Tanar'ri) - 5% electricity resist, +1 INT. Aasimar - 5% electricity resist, +1 WIS. Genasi (Air) - 10% electricity resist. Genasi (Water) - 10% cold resist. Genasi (Earth) - 10% acid resist. Genasi (Fire) - 10% fire resist. Nymph blood - +1 CHR. Yuan-ti blood - 5% magic resist, +1 INT. Half-elf: Standard Aquatic Fey'ri (Note I put this in here not in Elf) - 5% electricity resist, +1 INT, +1 CHR, -1 CON. Elf: Moon Sun Sylvan Dwarf: Hill (gold) Mountain (shield) Gnome: Rock Halfling: Hairfoot Stout Tallfolk Half-breed: Half-orc Tanarukk - 5% electricity resist, +1 STR, +1 CON, -1 INT, -1 CHR Half-ogre Half-orog Ogrillion Link to comment
BigRob Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Unless they've changed it for 3E, minotaurs can only produce other minotaurs, mating exclusively with human females. Like were-creatures, they are the subject of a curse and are not a race as such. I know that Krynnish minotaurs are different and I don't have any info on them, so maybe you're talking about them, but I just thought I'd point it out. Link to comment
NiGHTMARE Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Tiefling: First we need to find out if Yugoloth actually can reproduce with Humans. Yuan-ti: yes, while a human and Pureblood Yuan-ti admittedly do produce another Pureblood Yuan-ti, the race was created by their god gradually (over the course of several generations) corrupting humans into something like his own form. It seems to me that there will probably be a relatively large number of people who are descended from the earlier generations (whose children were never fully corrupted for one reason or other, e.g. they stopped worshipping the god). Of course, most of them will never even realise it. Plus "Snakeblood" is valid in 3rd Edition, so there is a precedent Aquatic Elves: Half-Aquatic only methinks. Wild Elves vs. Wood Elves: even half-Elves have significantly different abilities (e.g. +1 DEX & -1 INT for half-Wild, +1 STR & -1 CON for half-Wood) so I don't see why they should be lumped in together. BTW calling either of these subraces "Sylvan" is apparently an insult Half-Orogs: You didn't mention them, but I'd definitely like to include these... if only because they're one of the few races that (believe it or not) actually has a bonus to their Charisma. Half-Dragons: I agree they shouldn't be allowed, but I would still like to have humans with Dragon ancestors (i.e. 1/16th Dragons, or whatever ). They would not be anywhere near as powerful as Half-Dragons, but still provide some interesting abilities. Half-Troll: no more unusual than many of the others! They're apparently detailed in one of the 3E books - Fearsome Foes - which I'm currently downloading. BTW I found (in Dragon Magazine #300) another species who can have offspring with Humans: the Kuo-Toa! Link to comment
Andyr Posted February 25, 2004 Author Share Posted February 25, 2004 Rob: That's why I put them in the Not Worth It section. NiGHTMARE: I assume Yugoloths can, if Tanar'ri and Baatezu can. But some official source would be useful. Half-orogs could be good, too. I guess there is no harm with another half-breed race or two. Kuo-Toa: Uh, maybe not... Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Link to comment
Caedwyr Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 From what I looked at, the Yugoloths focus too much on the animalistic side to be able to interbreed with humans. They tend to like to get souls and rebuild a new demon rather than give birth to a demon. @Bigrob: I did come across an entry for a Manotaur (human/minotaur cross) in a 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms monstrous manual, but since they are far too Minotaurish I also included them in the not worth it section. Link to comment
Andyr Posted February 25, 2004 Author Share Posted February 25, 2004 Ok then, perhaps only Tanar'ri and Baatezu tieflings are worth looking into. I'm editing my first post to include only the ones I think are worth doing, and suggesting some stats for them too. Link to comment
Caedwyr Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 I've checked up some info on Yuan-ti and the human subrace version would be refered to as a Pureblood Yuan-ti. There are three types of Yuant-ti within the general term for Yuan-ti. Purebloods (lowest rank), Half-breeds, and Abominations. Purebloods can pass for humans 80% of the time. They may have slit eyes, a forked tongue, or even small fangs. Otherwise they appear as normal humans. They have 20% magic resistance, a +2 bonus to their intelligence, and they can cast as an innate ability once per day each: cause fear, darkness 15' radius, snake charm, sticks to snakes, neutralize poison, suggestion, and polymorph other. I'd put this race as a human subrace like you have done. The description of them lists Yuan-ti as Chaotic Evil, but given the PC's upbringing I'd say that as with every other race, all Alignments should be possible. Link to comment
Andyr Posted February 26, 2004 Author Share Posted February 26, 2004 I think it is better to only have small effects based on subrace, to avoid overcomplicating and further unbalancing the game. Link to comment
Corradun Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I like the subrace options available that you mentioned although I think the Aasimar should get +10% COLD resistance and a +1 WIS and CHA bonus. Just a thought. Anyway, lets keep the ideas flowing. I also noticed that you did not include drow in your elf subrace section. I think this would be a good idea, though you would have to balance their not having many of the drow powers by saying that the PC spent most of his life on the surface world and perhaps give him/her some of the drow powers back as he adventures and gains levels particularly when spending time in the Underdark. Magic resistances etc. should definitely be held closely in check. Link to comment
Grim Squeaker Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 You want to have <CHARNAME> as a drow!? Link to comment
Andyr Posted April 28, 2004 Author Share Posted April 28, 2004 Subraces, yeah, I think there's still a lot of things we need to decide. Corradun, NiGHTMARE's made a thread in the Workroom with some more in-depth stuff. Link to comment
Fallen_Demon Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Half-Dragons: I agree they shouldn't be allowed, but I would still like to have humans with Dragon ancestors (i.e. 1/16th Dragons, or whatever ). They would not be anywhere near as powerful as Half-Dragons, but still provide some interesting abilities. isn't that what sorceres are, or is that just in 3e. Link to comment
Corradun Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Well, sorcerors theortically are descended from any powerful being: dragons, devils, demons, celestials... Link to comment
Fallen_Demon Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 I had been looking at the nwn manual and it only said dragon so i got confused. srry. Half-Orogs: You didn't mention them, but I'd definitely like to include these... if only because they're one of the few races that (believe it or not) actually has a bonus to their Charisma. maybe i'm confusing orogs with ogors, but hows that possible Link to comment
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