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Thanks for your posts Subtledoctor and Jastey. I - admittedly - try to get a Kumbaya feeling going. I freely admit to that. I do try do be respectful, and I have noted that there are strong sentiments on the subject. So I shall heed your words Subtledoctor, and be careful. And I do think I have had my say. This thread was meant as a valid question, to which there are different answers/views. I can live with that, and I hope everybody else can. I will be at the Secret of Bonehill thread - hoping for a bug and Roxanne free version of this excellent mod.

it’s ok Semiticgod. People may call me what they want, and say their piece about my actions and motives. It is their choice - not mine. But I am glad that it is confirmed that this is not an echo chamber. It may be that I like the BD Kool-Aid too much, but I actually like the forums, I did part take in the discussion (and not part of any Kool-Aid gang) and still do. And yes I fully stand by that I support the site rules there. And yes I fully support that discussions need a helping hand sometimes - by forumites most of all, but also from moderators. And yes I have pressed agree and like on that a lot. But I haven’t pressed agree or like on any personal attack. There is the difference. If any think I am cyber bully, please state so - I just don’t think that thinking in a different way adheres to bullying. And just for the record. I didn’t follow all of the ex forumites to haunt them here. I came for the mods - like so many else I’d reckon.

Thank you. I have addressed the moderator issue in prior posts. And I didn’t motion the thread being closed (I actually agreed with Subtledoctor on a special treatment for the the iOS versions) I just didn’t see anything before things heated up and the thread was closed.

@KilivitzIf speaking up for the Beamdog forums is really so upsetting then I won’t. I have failed to notice that I wasn’t allowed here. People come here for answers and I’d reckon I was more than welcome to chip in. .Yes I have expressed my point of view, and will take that liberty in the future as well. Being positive is not a major offence as I see it, and expressing a positive attitude is not ganging up on anybody imho. If it is so here, I will quickly take my leave. And btw. I haven’t flagged a post over there for negative or flaming remarks - although I did it twice for the ones who made the double accounts. If that is a major insult, then I -‘ sorry, but I really don’t like people who make multiple accounts on forums.

There has been a lot of talk about the NDA, and it’s long reach. WoTC seem to control what’s being said to some degree (and perhaps a whole lot more). But what we do know is that the NDA exists and sours the discussion greatly. People ask questions of this and that, and Beamdog can’t answer because of the NDA. An NDA has a long reach and lasts a long time (if done properly). As a lawyer I tried making them myself, and you can really shackle people to the point where they can’t move a muscle - and I consider WoTC being so professional/cautious, so that they have all the tickets and Beamdog owning all the fines. The result is that we aren’t getting anywhere WoTC hasn’t approved off. So some might feel we are stuck in a information limbo - and perhaps we are. But making potshot at Beamdog and at the forums is not getting you anything or anywhere. Beamdog has signed the NDA it seems, and we just have to live with that. They gave us a an update on the IE that is easier to mod (so I have heard) and some new content. The modding community has already provided mods for most of your hearts desire, so why not just be thankful for that and live with the crumbs of information that Beamdog is allowed to serve.

Thank you for the clarification. I am a goody two-shoes, and I seldom run into trouble at the site. But I am actually quite glad that the moderators stopped that particular discussion. The discussion where going nowhere (same questions, and same answers - on and on). The tone and content got toxic and accusations of personal attacks where made - I didn’t even had the chance to read the posts properly so I could form my opinion before the removal. At first I was like wtf? We need this. But after I while I realised that my posts where not bringing any new to the subject, and most others didn’t either... sorry to say. We where saying the same things over and over. And when accusations where made of personal attacks on posters, the moderating team did the only right thing. That’s what I said and that’s what I still mean. Who said what, why and how is a whole other issue. I did petition on behalf of you and Jastey. You have contributed a lot, and I respect that. I am sorry to see you go away and plenty others are as well.

Thank you for your post @subtledoctor I actually didn’t know that there was rules against commenting on moderation decisions. And reading the site rules of the site again didn’t suggest otherwise. But I guess it is something I have to be aware of, since you and not I have parted ways with the forum. I stand by the post I made. Closing the discussion we took part of was a good call. We where going no where fast and it ended in insults. I haven’t seen all the posts in the thread but you your self said that you where attacked. Why not stop that? You off course have the right to defend your self if harmed, but it doesn’t mean that the thread should continue. Closing the thread was and is the only sensible thing to do. I stand by my right to salute the call of the moderating team. Not breaking up an unfruitful and toxic discussion would be sloppy work from the mod team - when you look at site rules. And I all fairness your real grievances is with the moderating team. That is the only issue here. You felt attacked and wrongly accused. And you took it up with the moderating team, which you did right by doing. And I took it up with the moderating team on you behalf - retelling your side of the story and asking for indulgence and leniency. So feel free to quote me any way you like. Cherry pick whatever you find useful. But note they I do try to follow the rules on the Beamdog forums, I do care and I do respect fellow forumites even when I salute the moderation of toxic and useless discussion where people (like your self) say they got attacked. What and whom part took in said attacking is the issue you need to address - not closing the discussion.

Well it’s not an excuse. Simply because I can’t give an excuse on behalf of others. But it is my take on an explanation. One thing that I do know, is that the discussion heated when post where made that seem to suggest a personal attack. Things went really quickly from then on, and the posts where shortly after removed as said. But It was also suggested that the moderators them selves posted content that meant a ban if the same content had come from a forumite. If so it is something the moderators and the forumites need to work out. I still hope that people will stay and work things out together. as it is said in politics: don’t threaten people with leaving, threaten them with staying (not a shout at the ongoing Brexit).

I was there as well. And seconded Subtledoctors wish for a quick update, so we can mod IWD:we on iOS. So what Subtledoctor said about the situation and it’s start is true. But the discussion went south from there. It turned into a general discussion about Beamdogs patch cycle and bugs (pathfinding and UI). The patch cycle frequency and the politics thread usually host/caters the most heated arguments. And I suspect that the warning and bans was a delayed consequence of a very heated debate this summer. This summer numerous posters created accounts and spread the same malicious messages - the wording and posting pattern was the same in many of the posts. Many of the post came from one person (or a group of posters) who created multiple accounts it seems. Since then the moderators have been on constant alert and perhaps been (too?) quick on the move (I haven’t seen it all, so it’s just my impression). I am still a frequent and happy user of the forum. It’s a great place, but presenting your views in a positive manner and not dissing Beamdog is a good way of handling your self while there..... And yes, being a pro LGBT SJW doesn’t hurt either - count me amongst them if you must judge me

As a long time Beamdog forum user, I also hope that mods will be discussed and promoted on the beamdog forum as well as here. there was a great debacle concerning the timeframe of the 2.6 updates... and yes I was there as well. But I do hope that differences aside, that at least the modders behind bars will maintain some open channel on the beamdog forum. especially since the beamdog forum is a great place to start for new players, and thusly learn about the mods that keep the game fresh. If the mods aren’t maintained and promoted at the Beamdog forum, it will keep many new players from the real beauty of the game: mods.