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The original post is not as random as everyone seems to think. It actually references something from a few years ago.

Glass houses, Kulyok. You have no idea how offensive you are, or, more importantly, that you even care. If you don't like the topic, read something else, or check your self-righteous ego at the door.

Perhaps it's offensive to you, but it's important to many others. As long as it remains civil, which it has for the most part, there's no reason to close it.

No, we don't want you to approve or force you to see it as normal. We just want the same rights as everyone else. Ending segregation didn't end racism, and allowing gay marriage will not end homophobia.

I'm sorry, but this sounds just like the principle of "separate but equal." Not quite. Race (civil rights) is not the same as sexual preference (personal desires). And Coretta Scott King (MLK's daughter) has made this very clear. Your second sentence is your personal opinion and not a fact. It is also based upon the utterly false assertion that homosexuality is a choice. Trust me--it is not. Civil rights are also not the sole domain of race relations. Would you say the same thing to a Jew, if the big debate in the country was whether two Jews could get married? Your third sentence is irrelevant, as Correta Scott King is not her father. She is also one person, and hardly the only person qualified to make such a statement.

I'm sorry, but this sounds just like the principle of "separate but equal."

This argument probably isn't going to change much until one of two things changes: 1) The Church stops clinging to the literal translation of a 2000+ year old story book. The arguments against gay marriage by the Church aren't much different than the ones used to support slavery or preventing interracial marriage. Bigotry is bigotry. Racism and homophobia are the same thing, just against different groups of people. 2) The US and other nations stop using the term "marriage" to legally recognize the commitment between two people. This is unlikely to change, however, as marriage is used as much in secular terms as it is in religious ones. As an aside--in regard to the argument about a small percentage of people overturning the vote of the majority... we're not talking about zoning laws. We're talking about civil rights. If that argument was used in the '50s and '60s, we'd still have segregation. The definition of democracy is "majority rule with minority rights". Note the last word of that sentence very carefully.

How, exactly, is that different? If one religion is influencing the government to perform actions counter to another religion, how is that a separation? Most of the founding fathers were Christians, but their intent was to setup a secular government. Jefferson referred to it as a "wall of separation" and Madison as "perfect separation." They didn't care if religion affected society, but the government was established to be secular.

Since you went there first, I'll ask... So, why do so many "benevolent" churches spew hatred about so many people? No, communism has failed. Socialism is alive and well all around the world. See: Europe. Again, you went there first... Depend on the church? And what of those who don't belong to the church in their locale? What of those that the church has deemed unfit to qualify as worthy? Better oversight? Are you kidding? See: Catholic priest sex scandal The Founding Fathers of the United States, much to the chagrin of conservatives and evangelicals, founded this nation on the principles of religious freedom and separation of church and state. Not as a theocracy. See: Iran.

Well, for starters, TheBigg isn't even American. But I bet he knows how many people live in Italy. I don't consider overlooking 650 million people as qualifying for "near." My point is that if you can't even be bothered to know how many people live in your own country (which is soooo easily done by putting a little effort into your research), then I really can't take any of your arguments seriously. But you go right on ahead choosing which facts to use and which ones to ignore for your arguments. I honestly couldn't care less. I'm just a huge geography buff and Americans' lack of knowledge in that field really irks me.

your numbers are more than 10x off you can get it for 100/mo or less. Um, sure... if you're single and under 25. Are you serious? You really think there are almost a billion people in the US? I think any credibility you want given to your other points evaporated by this one statement. The 2008 estimate for the population of the United States is around 305 million.

Thank you.

I believe Imoen was originally going to turn into the Ravager (like you turn into the Slayer, but better) and assault Suldanessellar with Irenicus. That was scrapped, but the ravager animation stuck around as the (bad) pit fiend animation. I seem to recall coming across something way back in the heyday of Unfinished Business research that this was the case. Gaider made lots of random posts in various places, but I think most of them have been lost...

How do you say "old" in Canadian?