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  1. Sav

    That'll leave a mark!

    All the WOMEN. Yes. Lol I wanted to see if there'd be a huge cat-fight over my Paladin. Much like a Royal Rumble
  2. If you're thinking of redoing the WHOLE of the romance you might as well create a new character, like I said. If you redo it completely then you're basically changing Viconia to be a different Drow.
  3. Heh, well, if you're going to do it Zandilar then do it. Personally I think she's straight, but if you sense some gayness in her then that's your view. The least I can offer is some advice. I think it'd be best to make it kind of like the Imoen Romance, with a "friend counter" sort of thing, but don't make it so that if you're always nice to her that she sleeps with you, Viconia is unpredictable. I always thought if she had any gay in her then it would show properly, like Juhani in KOTOR, who admits feelings for a female PC. I don't really trust the word of Ed Greenwood, because, though he is the realms creator, he has some very strange ideas. I'm not saying a 2000 year old fogey COULDN'T get sex with every fit girl he met, I just find it highly unlikely Well, good luck anyway. If you ever need any help with proof-reading or something, I'm the Grammar Fuhrer apparantly. Heh, JPS, about that Shar-Teel thing, it really does depend on how Viconia speaks it, it sounds like an opening line to a conversation. If she says it in a spiteful manner or with hatred in her voice then I assume she's taking no interest in her, but if she's like "Mmmm I hate you the least... mmm" then she may. 'Viconia leers in Shar-Teels direction, and snorts "Out of all the members of this party, I hate you the least"' or 'Viconia walks up to Shar-Teel and pats her on the back, keeping an untrusting distance, still "You know, out of all the members of this party, I hate you the least" - Well the first one was still Viconia being mean, and the second one was being chummy. If you pick up any gayness from there, well.... errr.... I dunno Like I said, what's the emotion in her voice?
  4. i was about to point out to using bg1 material. but seriously, if someone said "i dont hate you as much as i hate him/her" would you really take it as a fact that they like you? i wouldn't
  5. well, im gonna deal with cyber in PM, as cam said. carry on with the discussion you lot. too bad, i thought i wrote a pretty decent argument considering im hardly awake
  6. You say there's no evidence either way, are you referring to that evidence whether she's bisexual or not? In my case I think it's far enough, I've made points. I think I'll make them again in a nice list to help clear things up for you. I'll even number them, so you can count how many favour her being straight as to how many favour her being Bisexual. Viconia being straight 1. Viconia clearly presents a desire for strong males. In her dialogues with Sarevok you will find this, I'm sure there may be others. 2. She disgusts weak people, and, if you played the Viconia romance, you note she believes the roles of women and men are reversed on the surface. I concluded she believes women are weak. (Edit: Err... that's surface women, by the way.) 3. "Your mundane past interests me no more than the lives of any other passing acquaintance. Tell me of your struggle with your half-brother." - She says this in a conversation with a female PC. Clearly she is uninterested in the female PC. She'd rather hear about Sarevok. 4. She flirts with Anomen and Sarevok. 5. She does not flirt with any women. 6. My point earlier, what David Gaider wrote, about Viconia not believing in Drow Society. His exact words (which, actually, you pasted on FWP, so thank you Cybersquirt for helping me prove my point) are "She realizes, though, that she never enjoyed life amongst the drow...and now truly no longer belongs here." This point links to dismissing point number 1 below. I'm sure there are MANY more points, but I can't really be bothered to look through all the Baldur's Gate 2 dialogues just to find something to support my argument. Points for how, in any way, Viconia might be Bisexual 1. Drow society is not like human society. Drows can have sexual relationships with who they want. (read point 6, above, for why I dismissed it). 2. She doesn't mention that she doesn't like women in that way directly. However, I think her open flirting with many males overrules point 2. Would she not flirt with a female prostitute if she was indeed Bi? She seems to me that she would if she felt that way. Feel free to mention anything other than what I've said that might support her bisexuality. I will accept it if it's undeniable. I've proven I'm 'full of shit' again have I? In most of your posts that I've seen you seem to wonder why said woman can't like other women? I could find a few examples of your posts if you want. I recently saw one in the BG1 NPC project forum about Branwen, though in the end you agreed with Domi... I think... Believe me, you haven't offended me. I am merely democratically discussing my opinions. I have shown no outrage at your words, and I doubt you could make me angry. I'm mature enough to not get angry at being told I'm "full of shit." Nice reference to Viconia by the way with "stroke it fondly in the future." but, as I noted, it won't be necessary. My, this is a large post. Grim Squeaker, do what you want, it's your mod idea, I doubt I could change your position on it and you've already got more than enough people willing to help it seems. I don't have to download it, and I'm sure this all will help you to make the mod more believable if you do decide to make it. In the end my arguments will have helped you justify your position will they not? I agree with what you'd say about the fact that she'd USE someone to get what she wanted. Hell, it was one of the first points I made, though people seemed to ignore it and focus on the other part of what I said. She can PRETEND to like a woman, if it gets her somewhere, but what use has she got for anyone in the party? They all look out for each other well enough. Anyway, sorry for the long post. But hopefully people will stop arguing with me and accept my opinion for what it is. Though if you have anything I can't deny (that's official) then I'll accept it, as I said before.
  7. Well I thought she intended to maybe just use him and lose him with the PC, but she started to trust him, which is why she told him all the things she did. Note that she talks about less-sexual things as the romance progresses.
  8. Oh great, this is too good. Everyone's against me it seems... *sigh* I don't see why you're making a fuss over why I'm making a fuss of it too. I'm making a fuss over it because Grim Squeaker asked for peoples' opinions, and every time someone says 'Why shouldn't Viconia be bisexual?' I keep giving reasons. I've seen no reason for her to be Bisexual, so this mod idea is questionable, and that's why I am arguing with the people who think she should be. As I said, Never flirts with women; Flirts with Ano and Sarevok; romances male PC, expresses love of strong males. I'm just expressing my opinion remember, a strong opinion at that. So there. All the inspiration for this came from something someone put in their mod, and in my opinion the Imoen romance isn't THAT great as the people over there think. I'm sure that if that didn't exist then you wouldn't think Viccy is interested in women as well as men at all. People have tried to tell me why they think she's Bi, but I frankly think that's wishful thinking on their part. Oh and I'm full of shit, eh? Quite a strong reaction considering I've only been expressing my opinion. I've seen your posts anyway Cybersquirt, you'd probably prefer everyone in BG to be bisexual. Do what you want, Grim. I'm just the minority. I'm like the only one who opposes the idea. But, like I said, new Drow = THUMBS UP If you can't respect my opinion as to discuss this like responsible adults, then why am I wasting my time? Remember. I'm not homophobic, if you're planning on using that argument. I've seen Fan Fictions with Viconia being with a woman, and it quite frankly didn't work.
  9. Yes, but he added that to a character that didn't have THAT much development anyway. From the Underdark we could gather that he used to be in a relationship with Phaere, and worships Ellistrae (sp?). She's a Drow goddess of beauty, love and all that, right? Are his poems on subjects of love, etc? If so then it's understandable, as being a worshipper of Ellistrae, he'd have to believe in beauty and love. But also, Ust Natha is a Lolth-worshipping city. He has to disguise the fact that he's worshipping Ellistrae, which is why you might be surprised when he shows his true self. Edit: You don't necessarily have to dismiss the 'picking up another Drow' bit. Maybe you could meet her in the Female Fighter's Society or something, and she challenges you to a duel, saying you look strong, maybe. When you beat her she'll surrender and say she likes how strong you are. The new part of the relationship could happen after each of Solaufein's quests. "I heard how you dealt with blah blah. You ARE very strong" that sort of thing. When your deception is revealed and you're fighting through the Drows in Ust Natha, she comes out of the fighters society, asks if you are Veldrin, and you can say "No, I'm CHARNAME, I dunno who this Veldrin is." or "Yes, I was disguised as a Drow." then maybe she'd ask to come with you, seeing how strong you are etc, and she fancied you when you were Drow, she's never had a [RACE] lover before or something. Then work your way from there. Heh, well anyway, that's just a rough idea, which deserves some consideration. It's more believable if it's a new character that's bisexual rather than changing someone from being straight to being bisexual.
  10. Really? It seems to me that when she was flirting with Anomen she was doing it in maybe hopes of getting a quicky, and Anomen WAS willing. If it was not for the PC's interference they may have had sex or done something erotic. She flirted with Sarevok because she wanted to 'test' him out, so to speak. About that Calimshite trader, she may have seemed to accept, but I would really think she'd be leading him on, she is like that after all. You should know if you've played her romance. You'll have to tell me whereabouts it happens though, I can't remember any Cailmshite traders in the game. I just looked, and I think you mean her story of when she escaped the Underdark, right? Well, really, I reckon it was because had she gone somewhere else she would've most likely been hunted. She was using her knowledge of the erotic to survive in the surface. She says that the fat guy was her pawn and the carriage went where she wanted it to, so basically she was manipulating him. I doubt she felt any attraction. She likes strong males remember? And I emphasise this all the time, because it's the way she is. Edit: I haven't played Solaufein, but I hear the romance is bisexual, but it's the same for women as it is for men. I suppose I can understand that he may like men as well. After what happened with Phaere he didn't seem too willing to be with a woman. I think he says something to a woman in the Underdark, along the lines of "Go away, you are all the same." so maybe he's more gay than bisexual? Really I don't know, I'd have to play the mod to have an opinion on it. Another edit: Oh, if you do decide to change your mind and make your own Drow, I can provide portraits. I have about 15 or so female Drow portraits in my BG2 folder that I've collected from random sites. I had one as my avatar in FWS for a while before changing it back to the Horned Reaper. I'd be willing to aswell, since I disagree with the whole Viconia=Bisexual concept.
  11. Ehh, nothing like me, but whatcha gonna do?
  12. You spelt my name wrong, grr. I've even said that numerous times, and the reason I'm trying so hard to persuade Grim Squeaker to NOT do a bisexual Viconia romance is because I really, really, really do think it is a bad idea. A woman friendship is good, but a relationship/romance, I really don't think so. The thing with Sarevok above just reinforces my view that Viconia is into strong males. She never once flirts with women, but flirts with Anomen and Sarevok, not to mention the Romance. The only possible reason she MIGHT be bisexual is the Drow culture, and Viconia doesn't really LIKE Drow culture much anyway, I found that out by someone posting something I think David Gaider said (ironically I wouldn't have found it if Grim Squeaker didn't bump that thread). I just can't see how you can think she would be interested in a woman.
  13. That broadening experiences thing is when she asks Sarevok to sleep with her isn't it? I think she's just thinking of an excuse to sleep with him, being that he's not even alive or dead, but she's attracted to him anyway.
  14. Well I've always been saying that they could make the mod of Viconia being bisexual, hell I'm not stopping them. I was just expressing an opinion (strongly) in hopes that they might see my side of things and not do it. Urgh, I hate justifying myself. I just feel it would be better without a Viconia being bisexual part. IF Viconia had shown any interest in women in the game then I wouldn't mind this mod, but she doesn't (to my great memory that is), so it just doesn't seem right to me. I'd be fine if the PC could say she likes Viconia in That Way, just Viconia shouldn't return any feelings. She does flirt with/lead on Anomen in the game, but no other women. I think it'd really be best to just add another Drow to the party. People just seem to want her to romance her because it is HER (and her portrait is the prettiest), and she's a Drow, so she MUST have no qualms about doing women as well.. and it's frankly a bad way of thinking (IMO yet again). Do what you want though, it's not like I have to download it (said with affection). Disclaimer: So, yeah, I meant no OFFENSE in this post. Edit: This belief also stems from the fact that I think the Bioware romances shouldn't be tampered with. I really dislike it when someone makes an NPC have a fling or something with Aerie, Jahiera, Viconia and.. yeah even Anomen. I don't like the HD-Aerie romance but I can put up with it because Bioware made it that way. I always thought that the PC was the only one they would be interested in, out of all the NPCs in the game, as he/she is the one who has a profound effect on them through the game. It's like the Halflings At Large mod. I liked it, but then I found they were/are planning on having the female Halfling have a mini-romance with Jahiera, Jahiera!! who I think is DEFINITELY not bisexual. Err, but I think I made my other point. Oh, and I don't mean to come accross as homophobic or anything, because I'm not.
  15. Maybe you should post this idea on other forums, like FWS or FWP or TeamBG, because they have more people than here. Get the views of the majority on this. *cough*Stillhatetheideathough*cough*
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