140 PUPPETTYPE Not Working as Advertised

[cirerrek]

From IESDP

 

140 PUPPETTYPE

 

The image can return true on the following values:

 

1 = Mislead, 2 = Project Image, 3 = Simulacrum

 

I tested this and PUPPETTYPE does not appear to work as listed.

 

// * Detect Clone
IF
 CheckStatGT(Myself,0,PUPPETMASTERTYPE)
 Global("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",0)
THEN
 RESPONSE #100
  SetGlobal("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",1)
  DisplayStringHead(Myself,9292)               // say "Escaped Clone"
END

// * Detect Mislead
IF
 CheckStat(Myself,1,PUPPETMASTERTYPE)
 Global("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",1)
THEN
 RESPONSE #100
  SetGlobal("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",2)
  DisplayStringHead(Myself,8291)               // say "Mislead"
END

// * Detect Projected Image
IF
 CheckStat(Myself,2,PUPPETMASTERTYPE)
 Global("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",1)
THEN
 RESPONSE #100
  SetGlobal("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",3)
  DisplayStringHead(Myself,8296)               // say "Projected Image"
END

// * Detect Simulacrum
IF
 CheckStat(Myself,3,PUPPETMASTERTYPE)
 Global("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",1)
THEN
 RESPONSE #100
  SetGlobal("EK_CloneIdentity","LOCALS",4)
  DisplayStringHead(Myself,26234)              // say "Simulacrum"
END

 

Just for grins I tested stats 138, 139, 140, & 141 to see what they returned.

 

Here are the results

 

//-----------------------------

// Test 1: 138 PUPPETMASTERID

// ----------------------------

// odd result, clones displayed "Escaped Clone" but nothing else

 

//-------------------------------

// Test 2: 139 PUPPETMASTERTYPE

// ------------------------------

// Mislead - displayed "Escaped Clone and Mislead"

// Projected Image - displayed "Escaped Clone and Projected Image"

// Simulacrum - displayed "Escaped Clone and Simulacrum"

 

//-------------------------

// Test 3: 140 PUPPETTYPE

//-------------------------

// No effect

 

//-----------------------

// Test 4: 141 PUPPETID

//-----------------------

// No effect

 

So 139 PUPPETMASTERTYPE appears to be the winner here.

 

Thanks,

[Avenger]

Some explanation:

 

puppetmasterID's did report escaped clone when there was NO clone. (hence ID is 0).

The ID is an object ID which is assigned dynamically. It is the so called 'internal object identifier' which falsely was placed among the IDS values, actually the object ID is 2 words (global/local counters) and it is saved near the end of the creature header. The new dltcep shows this value, also IWD2 shows this value ingame at an object dump.

 

The type is set by the appropriate effect opcode. The master gets a puppet tag, and the puppet gets a master tag. (So they are linked together).

You should look for puppetmasterID/type in the clone and puppetID/type in the master.

[cirerrek]

Some explanation:

 

puppetmasterID's did report escaped clone when there was NO clone. (hence ID is 0).

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Let me have a quick check for understanding here. From your statement above, you are saying the clone was displaying "Escaped Clone" because its master's ID was greater than 0?

 

That would definitely only make sense if they were linked, because the code in script is checking for Myself.

[Avenger]

No, i assumed that the script ran on the PC not the clone. And there is no reason to look for a puppetmasterID/type on the PC.

 

In my understanding puppetmasterid/type works on the clone, and puppetid/type works on the PC. But i already wrote this.

 

I also wrote what ID is, it isn't a constant number from the 0-4 interval, it is a 16 bit number which is unique for each cre in the game.

The ID is normally nonzero, but if there is no existing referenced object (for example, no clone for a creature) it will be set to zero.

 

I have absolutely no idea how could you get the ID of a creature itself

[cirerrek]

No, i assumed that the script ran on the PC not the clone. And there is no reason to look for a puppetmasterID/type on the PC.

 

I tested the PC here.

 

http://forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php?showtopic=5068

 

In my understanding puppetmasterid/type works on the clone, and puppetid/type works on the PC. But i already wrote this.

 

Stat wise,

 

139 PUPPETMASTERTYPE works for the clone

140 PUPPETTYPE works for the caster

 

I also wrote what ID is, it isn't a constant number from the 0-4 interval, it is a 16 bit number which is unique for each cre in the game.

The ID is normally nonzero, but if there is no existing referenced object (for example, no clone for a creature) it will be set to zero.

 

That is some cool info. Thanks for sharing that.

 

I have absolutely no idea how could you get the ID of a creature itself

 

I agree.

 

Could the number be interpreted by the engine in some other manner such as a Scriptname or Death Variable?

 

Thanks,

[Avenger]

Actually, you can see the ID in a saved creature, dltcep shows it as 'internal object identifier iwd2'. But this identifier confirmedly works in all IE games.

It is just that iwd2 shows this ID when you hit ctrl-m on a creature.

Btw, the ID consists of 2 16 bits word. A global and a local (in an area).

I don't know which ID is used here.