for classic BGT, is it bad to install UI mods before major content mods? also is there a database of recommended mod order?

[jacklhoward]

https://spellholdstudios.github.io/BG2_Improved_GUI/bg2improvedgui/documentation/readme.html

for this mod meant for classic bgt, the installation notes say that it should
```

Install before mods: (components: Innate/Ability/Spell Description Screen on Right Click)

Item Revisions
Spell Revisions
Item Upgrade
BG1 Textpatch Revised
BG2 Textpatch Revised
Cursed Items Revision
Any other mod with item/spell text updates

Install after mods:

TobEx
BG2 Fixpack
TobEx AfterLife
Widescreen mod
TutuGUI
BG2 GUI in 1280x720
1pp
Infinity Animations
BGT (components: Legacy of Bhaal/Heart of Fury difficulty mode)

```
 does that mean the order should be like

1. TobEx
BG2 Fixpack ... wide screen...

2. BG2 Improved GUI( the mod itself)

3. Item Revisions
Spell Revisions... ?  

would that infer that wide screen needs to go before item revision / spell revision?

is it good practice to install UI and wide screen mods before content mods like item and spell revisions?

in an older tutorial that includes a recommended installtion order I read that UI mods are best installed at the very last.

I'd imagine it would be a disaster if you are not satisfied with UI elements or resolution and want to change it midway as you would have to uninstall all the mods that come after the UI mods.

...also for classic BGT.  Regarding installation order, are there automatic sorting tools or an actively maintained big database?

are there mod managers? does project infinity work for classic BGT?

or should I just refer to The Big World Project/Big World Setup and do it manually, in addition to recommended order in the tutorial post in the forum for installation order?

PS:

Is near infinity a good save editor for original BGT? or is shadow keeper still needed? does shadow keeper work with win 11? 

 

 

 

[Insomniator]

On 11/7/2023 at 4:17 PM, jacklhoward said:

Install before mods: (components: Innate/Ability/Spell Description Screen on Right Click)

Item Revisions
Spell Revisions
Item Upgrade
BG1 Textpatch Revised
BG2 Textpatch Revised
Cursed Items Revision
Any other mod with item/spell text updates

Install after mods:

TobEx
BG2 Fixpack
TobEx AfterLife
Widescreen mod
TutuGUI
BG2 GUI in 1280x720
1pp
Infinity Animations
BGT (components: Legacy of Bhaal/Heart of Fury difficulty mode)

```
 does that mean the order should be like

1. TobEx
BG2 Fixpack ... wide screen...

2. BG2 Improved GUI( the mod itself)

3. Item Revisions
Spell Revisions... ?  

would that infer that wide screen needs to go before item revision / spell revision?

is it good practice to install UI and wide screen mods before content mods like item and spell revisions?

in an older tutorial that includes a recommended installtion order I read that UI mods are best installed at the very last.

I'd imagine it would be a disaster if you are not satisfied with UI elements or resolution and want to change it midway as you would have to uninstall all the mods that come after the UI mods

1) If need Innate/Ability/Spell Description Screen on Right Click, install this component before spell revision and other text mods, if this component skipped - no any relation with text mods, install with any order.

2) Some UI components like loot panel depends on widescreen mod, so need install these components after widescren mod, this is not documentated yet, in next release will be explained what compenents affected

3) Other components can be installed in any order, you can run installer few times and select separate components, same way as Leonardo's BiG World Project works

4) You can change widescreen resolution without issues, weidu is smart enough installer, it reinstall "installed after" mods in auto mode

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Insomniator

[jacklhoward]

On 11/9/2023 at 3:40 AM, Insomniator said:

1) If need Innate/Ability/Spell Description Screen on Right Click, install this component before spell revision and other text mods, if this component skipped - no any relation with text mods, install with any order.

2) Some UI components like loot panel depends on widescreen mod, so need install these components after widescren mod, this is not documentated yet, in next release will be explained what compenents affected

3) Other components can be installed in any order, you can run installer few times and select separate components, same way as Leonardo's BiG World Project works

4) You can change widescreen resolution without issues, weidu is smart enough installer, it reinstall "installed after" mods in auto mode

 

thank you.

also is the best source for mod installation order still BigWorld project?

 

[jastey]

I wouldn't call it the best source, not to belittle the effort Leonardo Watson puts into creating BWP, but because there is some mod updates that come with a shift in install order that might not be considered in BWP yet.

There is no list for best install order you can just follow blindly, there is a pinned topic in this subforum that is trying to establish an install order (for EET, but it should also work for BGT as long as you consider that BG2Fixapck and BGT would be the first mods here).

[jacklhoward]

On 11/9/2023 at 3:40 AM, Insomniator said:

1) If need Innate/Ability/Spell Description Screen on Right Click, install this component before spell revision and other text mods, if this component skipped - no any relation with text mods, install with any order.

2) Some UI components like loot panel depends on widescreen mod, so need install these components after widescren mod, this is not documentated yet, in next release will be explained what compenents affected

3) Other components can be installed in any order, you can run installer few times and select separate components, same way as Leonardo's BiG World Project works

4) You can change widescreen resolution without issues, weidu is smart enough installer, it reinstall "installed after" mods in auto mode

 

Ty.

So are the EET load order

+

 the basic rules for sorting the installation order mentioned in the "tutorial for beginners"

 

sufficient in a modern, relatively small (7-8 major mods, classic bgt) setup?

should I just ask on the forum about the installation order of mods that are classic BGT only (like Spellhold Studios - BG2 Improved GUI )? as I cannot find other places with info on recommended order