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subtledoctor

subtledoctor

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Is this possible? I vaguely recall that if you create a Simulacrum of someone, the simulacrum has no script name by which to refer to it. 

I would like to create an NPC that. matches the PC - race, sex, hair/skin color… well hat’s really it. The same sprite, basically. I guess this is done in Durlag’s Tower, and in Spellhold, and in the ToB spirit temple… does anyone know if I can generate such a clone without showing the cloning process, and have it appear in a different area?

Or maybe better to cheat? Just have a bunch of different .CRE files, and have the area script check Charname’s race and sex, and spawn the most appropriate NPC?

What about the BG2 dream sequence where dream-Charnane blasts the vampire/lich/pit fiend? Does anyone know if that sprite matches Charname’s?

I don’t have a computer handy to look at those cut scenes, but if anyone has advice, it is appreciated. 

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morpheus562

morpheus562

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Here is how the second pocket plane trial does cloning the player:

 

Spoiler 
IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,HUMAN)
		Race(Player1,HALFORC)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2a")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,HUMAN)
		Race(Player1,HALFORC)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2b")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(3)
		Race(Player1,HALF_ELF)
		Race(Player1,ELF)
		Race(Player1,TIEFLING)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2c")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(3)
		Race(Player1,HALF_ELF)
		Race(Player1,ELF)
		Race(Player1,TIEFLING)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2d")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,DWARF)
		Race(Player1,GNOME)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2e")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,DWARF)
		Race(Player1,GNOME)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2f")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	Race(Player1,HALFLING)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2g")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	Race(Player1,HALFLING)
	Gender(Player1,MALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2h")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,HUMAN)
		Race(Player1,HALFORC)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2i")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,HUMAN)
		Race(Player1,HALFORC)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2j")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(3)
		Race(Player1,HALF_ELF)
		Race(Player1,ELF)
		Race(Player1,TIEFLING)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2k")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(3)
		Race(Player1,HALF_ELF)
		Race(Player1,ELF)
		Race(Player1,TIEFLING)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2l")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,DWARF)
		Race(Player1,GNOME)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2m")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	OR(2)
		Race(Player1,DWARF)
		Race(Player1,GNOME)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2n")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalGT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",0)
	Race(Player1,HALFLING)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2o")
END

IF
	Global("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",1)
	GlobalLT("Bhaal25Dream1","GLOBAL",1)
	Race(Player1,HALFLING)
	Gender(Player1,FEMALE)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("BeginChallenge2","GLOBAL",2)
		SetGlobal("OpenDoor5","AR4500",0)  // Pocket Plane
		StartCutSceneMode()
		StartCutScene("cutch2p")
END

 

 

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argent77

argent77

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This is how it's done in the Spellhold Irenicus encounter:

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IF
  See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself))
  Global("AsylumPlot","GLOBAL",54)
  Global("Sim","LOCALS",0)
THEN
  RESPONSE #100
    CloseDoor("Door11")
    Lock("Door11")
    ForceSpell(Myself,DO_NOTHING)  // SPIN905.SPL (No such index)
    DisplayString(Myself,48812)  // Spawn Clones
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player1)
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player2)
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player3)
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player4)
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player5)
    CreateVisualEffectObject("SPPROIMG",Player6)
    Wait(2)
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player1,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player2,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player3,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player4,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player5,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    CreateCreatureObjectCopy("jclone01",Player6,0,0,0)  // Calahan
    MoveToPoint([937.976])
    SetGlobal("Sim","LOCALS",1)
END

 

There are actually two different clone actions: 

CreateCreatureObjectCopy(S:ResRef*,O:Object*,I:Usage1*,I:Usage2*,I:Usage3*)
CreateCreatureCopyPoint(S:ResRef*,O:Object*,P:Dest*)

The second variant is probably more useful since you can simply choose a coordinate outside of the current viewport to hide the cloning process.

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jmerry

jmerry

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The dream cutscene (CUT69A through CUT69D) uses CreateCreatureCopyPoint, so that's an actual clone of player 1. That action also assigns a script name, which is used to control the creature in the remainder of the dream.

Note that creating a clone strips scripts from the clone; if you want your clone to do stuff, you need an outside impetus.

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subtledoctor

subtledoctor

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Thanks all. This is fantastically helpful information and gives me a nice shortcut  between concept and implementation. 

15 hours ago, jmerry said:

The dream cutscene (CUT69A through CUT69D) uses CreateCreatureCopyPoint, so that's an actual clone of player 1. That action also assigns a script name, which is used to control the creature in the remainder of the dream

This should be exactly what I am looking for. I can spawn the clone in a cutscene, in a particular location outside the fog of war, giving the visual impression that it was there already when you enter the area. And then have a script name for use in dialogue and a further cut scene. (This is a blue-circle clone, solely for exposition - not a combat encounter.)

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