Ellderon Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Blackguard sound fine to me... B.t.w. - The Avenger Kit: paladins who suffered at the hands of evil, who lost their loved ones or similar. They charge at evil with more determantion and hatred than any other paladin class.. Special abilities: + 2 thac0 vs evil, +1 damage +1 vs undead, +2 vs. demons Can cast Cloack of Fear 3 tiems per day Can cast Vengance one per day (vengance adds 1d5 points of every type elemental damage to the Avengers attack for 5 turns) Can achive 4 slots in Two-handed swords Think of a few penalties: - Gets only several cleric spells something more...gotta run now... Link to comment
MrEnnigma Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Ellderon: nice kit, though I'll need to see the full list of disadvantages before I can comment further . One slight problem: we've decided not to have multiple kits with the same name as it could get confusing, and as I'm sure you know, there's already an avenger kit for druids. How about calling it the 'vindicator' instead? Holy Avenger Divine Avenger Radiant Avenger Dark Avenger Fist of (Insert Diety)? No offense Nightmare but "vindicator" just doesn't sound right to me. May just be me though. Link to comment
NiGHTMARE Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I just ran 'avenger' through a thesaurus, and that seemed to be the best/most suitable alternative. Others are: - apologist - chastiser - justifier (already being used for a ranger kit ) - punisher - redresser - requiter - retaliator - retributer - revenger Link to comment
Guest Guest Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 How about calling it "Hater Of Evil Things That Tries Extra Hard To Kill Those Types Of Creatures" Link to comment
Ellderon Posted July 23, 2004 Author Share Posted July 23, 2004 Holy Avenger, Vindicator, Retributor Holy Avenger (or whatever) are the most feared warriors within the paladin order. They have usually endured much hardship in the past from the sevants of darkeness and harbour specialy strong hate and taste for vengance. They dedicate their whole life to the sole purpose of destroying evil wherever it appears, usually to the level that can be considered fanatical. Their training & dediaction to that task has made them expert swordsman, yet they fight very offensivly, often ignoring their defenses. Wielding a sword of holy fire, radiating an aura of power and retribution the mere sight of an Holy Avenegr is enough for most evil monsters to flee in terror. Coupled with a powerful artifact of light, like it namesake the Holy Avenger sword, he is the ultimate weapon of Good and a relentless and dangerous enemy of Darkness. ADVANTAGES: +1 THAC0 and +1 damage against evil +1 damage to undead, +4 against demons Can cast Cloack of fear three times per day Can create a Sword of holy fire twice a day Can enter the state of Devine Vengance once per day Can cast Wraith of Heavens once per day Can gain up to 4 proficiency with a two-handed sword DISADVANTAGES: Cannot gain proficiency(can still use them with a penalty) in the following things: - sword & shield style - polearms - crossbows Recives less cleric spells -1 THAC0 and damage against good Has a permanent -1(or -2) penalty to AC ----- Wraith of Heavens: Similar to Holy Smite, but more powerfull. Evil opponents have a good chance of beeing either stunned or blinded, even if they avoid the primary damage. Sword of Holy fire: Create a +3 against evil sword that deals magic fire damage.. Vengance: 1d5 fire, cold, electricity and acid damage are added to the attack for 5 rounds. Link to comment
NiGHTMARE Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 The holy avenger seems cool - lots of unique abilities, but plenty of penalties to make up for it . I don't think there are official stats for the blackguard in 2E, so we'll need to improvise something based on the 3E version. Also, I'll need to experiment with my idea to prevent evil paladins from falling . Link to comment
Ellderon Posted July 26, 2004 Author Share Posted July 26, 2004 A little update Holy Avenger, Vindicator, Retributor Holy Avenger (or whatever) are the most feared and rare warriors within the paladin order. They have usually endured much hardship in the past from the sevants of darkeness and harbour specialy strong hate and taste for vengance. They dedicate their whole life to the sole purpose of destroying evil wherever it appears, usually to the level that can be considered fanatical. Their training & dediaction to that task has made them expert swordsman, yet they fight very offensivly, often ignoring their defenses. They care only devine justice and serving good,even when it conflicts law and order. Wielding a sword of holy fire, radiating an aura of power and retribution the mere sight of an Holy Avenegr is enough for most evil monsters to flee in terror. Coupled with a powerful artifact of light, like it namesake the Holy Avenger sword, he is the ultimate weapon of Good and a relentless and dangerous enemy of Darkness. Prequisites: ANY GOOD ALIGMENT ADVANTAGES: +1 THAC0 and +1 damage against Evil +1 damage to undead, +4 against demons Can cast Cloack of fear two times per day Can create a Sword of holy fire twice a day Can enter the state of Devine Vengance once per day Can cast Wraith of Heavens once per day Can gain up to 4 proficiency with a two-handed sword DISADVANTAGES: Cannot gain proficiency(can still use them with a penalty) in the following things: - sword & shield style - polearms - crossbows Recives less cleric spells -1 THAC0 and damage against Good Has a permanent -1(or -2) penalty to AC ----- Wraith of Heavens: Similar to Holy Smite, but more powerfull. Evil opponents have a good chance of beeing either stunned or blinded, even if they avoid the primary damage. Sword of Holy fire: Create a +3 against evil sword that deals magic fire damage.. Vengance: 1d5 fire, cold, electricity and acid damage are added to the attack for 5 rounds. THAC0 against evil is increased by 2. Link to comment
Mongoose87 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Suggestion: Use one of the other two names for this. Holy avenger is a sword remember? Link to comment
Ellderon Posted July 27, 2004 Author Share Posted July 27, 2004 Suggestion: Use one of the other two names for this. Holy avenger is a sword remember? That's the point.... "like it's namesake" But I did list several ther possible names Link to comment
Ellderon Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 So is anyone actually making the Holy Avenger (whatever) kit? Link to comment
Andyr Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I think it's a nice basis, but would work better as a Fighter kit... Link to comment
Ellderon Posted July 31, 2004 Author Share Posted July 31, 2004 Fighter!?...?..Art thou insane? Link to comment
Andyr Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Well, not unless they're restricted to LG at least... Why would a Paladin, who's been LG all his life, suddenly in old age become BG or CG and become a Holy Avenger, more powerful than before? Link to comment
Fallen_Demon Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 what if there was a script that re-aplied the kit after the pally fell. Well, not unless they're restricted to LG at least... Why would a Paladin, who's been LG all his life, suddenly in old age become BG or CG and become a Holy Avenger, more powerful than before? I thought a holy avenger was still a pallidan, just more reckless than most. Link to comment
Andyr Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Reading the description, though, it seems like they are quite battle - hardened Paladins. Since Paladins *have* to be LG, I don't see why a veteran Paladin like this kit would be anything else... Link to comment
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