MachoGrande Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Is this an undocumented feature of SCS? Every time I use the horror spell, I see the enemies running around like normal but also attacking my party members at regular intervals. Just now I had giant spiders (with improved spiders) webbing my guys while feared. I noticed this over several versions of SCS also. My party members don't attack anyone while under the effects of the horror spell so I figure it's SCS doing it. Edited July 19, 2020 by MachoGrande Quote Link to comment
DavidW Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 It's not an SCS-specific issue, though it may be exacerbated by SCS, and it's a bug, not a feature. Fear has to be dealt with specifically by scripts; it looks as if some enemy actions aren't being caught by SCS's scripts. Can you be more specific as to when it's happening? Quote Link to comment
MachoGrande Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Like I said, It seems to be anytime I use the horror spell. I first noticed it in BGEE with the latest version of SCS in my current playthrough with the Morvin ambush. The fighter/mage Halacon guy nearly one-shotted my main character while feared with the horror spell. I saw this same behavior many times in SCS v31 on BG2 Classic. Enemies appear to be acting normally under effects of the horror spell, but they will stop to attack then start running around again. I think they would only attack guys within melee range. It's like they still get their normal attacks per round, but are running around in fear until their turn to attack comes up again. Edited July 19, 2020 by MachoGrande Quote Link to comment
DavidW Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Literally any time? OK, I'll see if I can reproduce. That's widespread enough that it makes me think something specific about your install is causing issues, since I haven't heard it reported by anyone else. Quote Link to comment
MachoGrande Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Fairly typical install but who knows. Here's why weidu log. Most likely people either never use the horror spell because web/stinking cloud is superior or those that did never got in melee range, or just never reported it. 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polytope Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 It's always been the case that creatures suffering magical fear or morale failure will occasionally swing at you if you get close enough. It might be more noticeable with SCS because they are more often hasted (potion or spell) which gives an initiative bonus, and makes the attack more likely to resolve while they are fleeing. Quote Link to comment
Greenhorn Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Yeah, I can concur that, this is not SCS issue, it happens pretty often even without it. EDIT: although webbing while scared is nasty thing. But not as much as webbing while under sleep, courtesy of Improved battles or Big picture... Edited July 19, 2020 by Greenhorn Quote Link to comment
polytope Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Greenhorn said: EDIT: although webbing while scared is nasty thing. But not as much as webbing while under sleep, courtesy of Improved battles or Big picture... Ah, there is definitely a problem with Giant Spider scripting now that I look closely. They lack this block: IF StateCheck(Myself,STATE_PANIC) THEN RESPONSE #100 RandomWalkContinuous() END Which most SCS enemies have at the top of their script to prevent them from using abilities while panicked. More importantly, the implementation of their ranged web spell like ability doesn't have a proper timer or count on number of uses: IF OR(2) Global("DMWW_spider_difficulty","GLOBAL",0) GlobalGT("DMWW_spider_difficulty","GLOBAL",2) OR(2) DifficultyGT(EASY) GlobalGT("DMWW_spider_difficulty","GLOBAL",2) !StateCheck(Myself,STATE_DISABLED) HaveSpell(INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) See(NearestEnemyOf(Myself)) See(SecondNearestEnemyOf(Myself)) See(ThirdNearestEnemyOf(Myself)) See(FourthNearestEnemyOf(Myself)) !GlobalTimerNotExpired("web","LOCALS") THEN RESPONSE #100 ForceSpell(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) Continue() RESPONSE #100 ForceSpell(SecondNearestEnemyOf(Myself),INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) Continue() RESPONSE #100 ForceSpell(ThirdNearestEnemyOf(Myself),INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) Continue() RESPONSE #100 ForceSpell(FourthNearestEnemyOf(Myself),INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) Continue() RESPONSE #300 SetGlobalTimer("web","LOCALS",ONE_ROUND) Continue() END This can result in the spider launching multiple web tangles in the span of a second until the timer is randomly set (3 in 7 probability). Clearly the action should be: RESPONSE #100 RemoveSpell(INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) ForceSpell(NearestEnemyOf(Myself),INNATE_SPIDER_WEB) Continue() Quote Link to comment
Greenhorn Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Thanks for this clarification. It explains to some degree why I got 9 area webbings in 1 round from group of 3 spiders in "Classic adventures" mod which heavily use Big picture scripts. Quote Link to comment
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