CamDawg Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 amcler02.cre - Chyil - originally NONE amfsleep.cre - Sleeping Woman - originally NONE bdock1.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE bdock2.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE becky.cre - Becky - originally NONE bfishw1.cre - Commoner - originally NONE cefgt02.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil cefgt04.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil cpchick1.cre - Party's Dog - originally NONE cpchick2.cre - Surly's Dog - originally NONE dgdru01.cre - Druid - originally Lawful Evil diane.cre - Diane - originally NONE dogwisu.cre - Rabid Dog - originally Chaotic Evil drshlo01.cre - Loren - originally Neutral Good drshlo02.cre - Loren - originally Neutral Good drshsp01.cre - Spirit of the Grove - originally NONE druid10a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid10b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid12a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid12b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid6a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid8a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid8b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil drush.cre - Drush - originally Lawful Evil ecolt.cre - Monk - originally NONE ffbiff01.cre - Biff The Understudy - originally NONE ffcook.cre - Uda the Cook - originally NONE ffcrowd1.cre - Nobleman - originally NONE ffcrowd5.cre - Commoner - originally NONE figpit.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE gdruid.cre - Druid - originally Lawful Evil gmayor.cre - Theshal - originally Chaotic Good golem01.cre - Clay Golem - originally Chaotic Good grhog01.cre - Groundhog - originally NONE igolem02.cre - Jailkeep Golem - originally Chaotic Good iotyugh.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good jaguarsu.cre - Jaguar - originally Chaotic Evil jahaboam.cre - Jahaboam - originally NONE kelzomb.cre - Zombie - originally NONE kpmerc01.cre - Tolmas Bendelia - originally Neutral Evil loutm02.cre - Mercenary of Riatvin - originally Neutral Evil merchant.cre - Bel Dalemark - originally NONE moose.cre - Moose - originally NONE mumfig01.cre - Commoner - originally Lawful Evil noblem3.cre - Lord Ophal - originally NONE obsgol01.cre - Guardian Golem - originally Chaotic Good otyugh.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good otyugh01.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good pheas01.cre - Pheasant - originally NONE postul6.cre - Nobleman - originally Neutral Evil ppinn01.cre - Innkeeper - originally Neutral Evil ppiron.cre - Clay Golem - originally Chaotic Good rabbit.cre - Rabbit - originally NONE sbutler.cre - Commoner - originally NONE scjerlia.cre - Jerlia the Ore Merchant - originally Lawful Good scqar.cre - Qar Jysstev - originally Lawful Evil sevdru01.cre - Alatelo De Bonito - originally Neutral Evil shop01.cre - Mira - originally NONE shop02.cre - Arnolinus - originally NONE shop04.cre - Enge - originally NONE shop05.cre - Perter - originally NONE shop06.cre - Hes - originally NONE shop07.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop1.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop2.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop3.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop4.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop5.cre - Perter - originally NONE shop6.cre - Hes - originally NONE shop7.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop8.cre - Galoomp the Bookkeeper - originally NONE slshop01.cre - Black Market Thief - originally Neutral Good squirl.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE squirr.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE tdr10a.cre - Kyland Lind - originally Lawful Evil tdr10b.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr6a.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr8a.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr8b.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil trax.cre - Trax - originally NONE trcar01.cre - Raafee - originally Neutral Evil trcar04.cre - Caravan Merchant - originally Neutral Evil trcut02.cre - Nobleman - originally Neutral Evil trevil02.cre - Guardian of the Source - originally Lawful Evil trevil03.cre - Master Verthan - originally Neutral Evil trmer01.cre - Peddler - originally Neutral Evil trmer02.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil trnobm01.cre - Sir Parick - originally Neutral Evil trple04.cre - Customer - originally Neutral Evil trskin02.cre - Tiris - originally Neutral Evil trtavp05.cre - Alenina - originally Neutral Evil ttser1.cre - Jospil - originally Chaotic Evil ttser2.cre - Servant - originally Chaotic Evil ttskel.cre - Skeleton - originally NONE uddear02.cre - Uder Mordin - originally NONE uddoor07.cre - Skeleton - originally Chaotic Evil udduer01.cre - Carlig - originally NONE udgolem.cre - Brain Golem - originally Chaotic Good udtrap02.cre - Raevilin Strathi - originally Lawful Evil uhogre03.cre - Minotaur - originally Lawful Evil wauksqu.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE welther.cre - Welther - originally Neutral Evil wmart1.cre - Joluv - originally Neutral Evil yarin.cre - Yarin - originally NONE yscara01.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil yscara02.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil ysgp03.cre - Tibbit - originally Chaotic Good ysgp04.cre - Chinchilla - originally Neutral Good ysgp05.cre - Chinchilla - originally Neutral Good Edit: Also check the alignment overview thread. 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Felinoid Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 bdock1 & 2: Well, I can't really make a case for CE with the show of compassion for a sick comrade, they could still be evil OR chaotic... gmayor: Ghouls are CE. kpmerc01: Guh? This guy is a textbook selfish NE. loutm02: He doesn't sound particularly balanced to me. Leave him. mumfig01: No evidence for LE, but no evidence for TN either. Just no evidence at all. postul6: What makes you think he's not evil? It's a good OBC to prevent hurting 'innocents' when you're dealing with vampires, but otherwise... ppinn01: Someone is assassinated right in front of him and he talks about the inconvenience. Yes, that could be TN, but it could also easily be NE. scqar: What about his manner suggests balance? He's just as much of an a$$ as Edwin. trax: He strikes me more as LE than TN. trcut02: See mumfig01 AND postul6. udgolem: Just a mention for the sake universality on brain golems (one type was changed to LE, IIRC). TN is good. wmart1: He's selling the weapons of the good guys from Icewind Dale. How do you think he got them? (No, really. I haven't finished IWD yet, but I do remember hearing that at least one of them dies.) ysgp03 - 05: Yup, no good Bhaalspawns around here. Not even the PC. Oh, wait... Link to comment
berelinde Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Trax: I might argue LN as opposed to TN. Mostly, he's lawful inept, and lawful unpopular, but he is not behaving chaotically. He is trying to uphold the law and prevent Jan from peddling black market turnips. He isn't good, he isn't evil. But his behavior does suggest a lawful element. I'm not going to loose sleep over this one. Link to comment
Gorilym Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 wmart1: He's selling the weapons of the good guys from Icewind Dale. How do you think he got them? Yeah, this is one where the Bioware alignment is right IMHO. He basically tells you that he's brought all these (extremely valuable) items down south just to get a better price for them - greedy and selfish, a good match for NE. Even if there's an indication that NE isn't the best alignment, where in the wide world of Abeir-Toril did this TN come from? Link to comment
BigRob Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 wmart1: He's selling the weapons of the good guys from Icewind Dale. How do you think he got them? (No, really. I haven't finished IWD yet, but I do remember hearing that at least one of them dies.) Then again, the IWD games are set more than ten years before BGII. And well more than ten years, if I remember right. By that time, adventurers might have died/retired, the weapons might have been lost and found again, sold to fund old age or stolen and had plenty of time to find their way legitimately to this merchant. Just because he has items for sale once owned by good people, doesn't mean he's evil. Likewise, the desire to turn a profit is selfish, but shouldn't all merchants then be evil? Not that I have any objection to his guy remaining evil (hey, who knows what he gets up to late at night). Link to comment
CamDawg Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 The plan for v2: becky.cre - Becky - originally NONE diane.cre - Diane - originally NONE ecolt.cre - Monk - originally NONE mumfig01.cre - Commoner - originally Lawful Evil Unused. Becky and Diane may be worth restoring somewhere, and mumfig01 is the commoner that appears when you cast resurrection on mummies (restored by Quest Pack, IIRC). kpmerc01.cre - Tolmas Bendelia - originally Neutral Evil ppinn01.cre - Innkeeper - originally Neutral Evil ysgp03.cre - Tibbit - originally Chaotic Good ysgp04.cre - Chinchilla - originally Neutral Good ysgp05.cre - Chinchilla - originally Neutral Good Original alignment is fine. bdock1.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE bdock2.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE loutm02.cre - Mercenary of Riatvin - originally Neutral Evil noblem3.cre - Lord Ophal - originally NONE trax.cre - Trax - originally NONE The dock ogres are going to CN instead. The mercenary is being changed to LN as he's the only evil member in a good/neutral party. Lord Ophal is going to LN instead. Trax is also going to LN as a gov't agent--there's nothing evil in his actions, he's simply frustrated (justifiably!) with Jan. clgol01.cre - Clay Golem - originally Chaotic Good A new addition to the list. amcler02.cre - Chyil - originally NONE amfsleep.cre - Sleeping Woman - originally NONE bfishw1.cre - Commoner - originally NONE cefgt02.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil cefgt04.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil cpchick1.cre - Party's Dog - originally NONE cpchick2.cre - Surly's Dog - originally NONE dgdru01.cre - Druid - originally Lawful Evil dogwisu.cre - Rabid Dog - originally Chaotic Evil drshlo01.cre - Loren - originally Neutral Good drshlo02.cre - Loren - originally Neutral Good drshsp01.cre - Spirit of the Grove - originally NONE druid10a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid10b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid12a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid12b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid6a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid8a.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil druid8b.cre - Zorl - originally Lawful Evil drush.cre - Drush - originally Lawful Evil ffbiff01.cre - Biff The Understudy - originally NONE ffcook.cre - Uda the Cook - originally NONE ffcrowd1.cre - Nobleman - originally NONE ffcrowd5.cre - Commoner - originally NONE figpit.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE gdruid.cre - Druid - originally Lawful Evil gmayor.cre - Theshal - originally Chaotic Good golem01.cre - Clay Golem - originally Chaotic Good grhog01.cre - Groundhog - originally NONE igolem02.cre - Jailkeep Golem - originally Chaotic Good iotyugh.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good jaguarsu.cre - Jaguar - originally Chaotic Evil jahaboam.cre - Jahaboam - originally NONE kelzomb.cre - Zombie - originally NONE merchant.cre - Bel Dalemark - originally NONE moose.cre - Moose - originally NONE obsgol01.cre - Guardian Golem - originally Chaotic Good otyugh.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good otyugh01.cre - Otyugh - originally Neutral Good pheas01.cre - Pheasant - originally NONE postul6.cre - Nobleman - originally Neutral Evil ppiron.cre - Clay Golem - originally Chaotic Good rabbit.cre - Rabbit - originally NONE sbutler.cre - Commoner - originally NONE scjerlia.cre - Jerlia the Ore Merchant - originally Lawful Good scqar.cre - Qar Jysstev - originally Lawful Evil sevdru01.cre - Alatelo De Bonito - originally Neutral Evil shop01.cre - Mira - originally NONE shop02.cre - Arnolinus - originally NONE shop04.cre - Enge - originally NONE shop05.cre - Perter - originally NONE shop06.cre - Hes - originally NONE shop07.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop1.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop2.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop3.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop4.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop5.cre - Perter - originally NONE shop6.cre - Hes - originally NONE shop7.cre - Storekeep - originally NONE shop8.cre - Galoomp the Bookkeeper - originally NONE slshop01.cre - Black Market Thief - originally Neutral Good squirl.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE squirr.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE tdr10a.cre - Kyland Lind - originally Lawful Evil tdr10b.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr6a.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr8a.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil tdr8b.cre - Shadow Druid - originally Lawful Evil trcar01.cre - Raafee - originally Neutral Evil trcar04.cre - Caravan Merchant - originally Neutral Evil trcut02.cre - Nobleman - originally Neutral Evil trevil02.cre - Guardian of the Source - originally Lawful Evil trevil03.cre - Master Verthan - originally Neutral Evil trmer01.cre - Peddler - originally Neutral Evil trmer02.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil trnobm01.cre - Sir Parick - originally Neutral Evil trple04.cre - Customer - originally Neutral Evil trskin02.cre - Tiris - originally Neutral Evil trtavp05.cre - Alenina - originally Neutral Evil ttser1.cre - Jospil - originally Chaotic Evil ttser2.cre - Servant - originally Chaotic Evil ttskel.cre - Skeleton - originally NONE uddear02.cre - Uder Mordin - originally NONE uddoor07.cre - Skeleton - originally Chaotic Evil udduer01.cre - Carlig - originally NONE udgolem.cre - Brain Golem - originally Chaotic Good udtrap02.cre - Raevilin Strathi - originally Lawful Evil uhogre03.cre - Minotaur - originally Lawful Evil wauksqu.cre - Squirrel - originally NONE welther.cre - Welther - originally Neutral Evil wmart1.cre - Joluv - originally Neutral Evil yarin.cre - Yarin - originally NONE yscara01.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil yscara02.cre - Merchant - originally Neutral Evil These remain as being changed to TN. Some specific comments: gmayor (the ghoul mayor) - he's trying really, really hard to not only be good, but encouraging his fellow ghouls to also be good. I'm willing to give him some points here even if he does end up trying to, y'know, eat you. postul6, trcut02 - without overt evil actions, they should be neutral. No fluffy kitten arguments, please. wmart1 - It's been at least ten years. The suggest that the merchant is directly responsible for the acquisition of the items and the assumption that it had to occur in an evil machination is a huge stretch. Link to comment
devSin Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 gmayor (will the real Theshal please stand up?) and all those druid*s are unused. Link to comment
CamDawg Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 Can you go ahead to the NE, CG, CN, and CE threads and save me some time? Link to comment
Radish Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 May be a bit late, but I would suggest you not base...anything, really, on the official BG2 description of the true neutral alignment. Because, well, it's incredibly stupid. It makes an alignment that should in most cases represent a lack of extremes into the most extreme alignment of all. The behavior it describes is more fitting for the far far far end of chaotic neutral than the general description of any entire alignment. Because it is, quite honestly, just plain insanity. No rational person spends their life obsessed with whether the total tally of all their moral and ethical decisions strikes a perfect neutral balance - or whether they are contributing to such a balance in the world around them. And while a character may indeed be irrational, it's not a trait that should be in any way dictated by alignment. Every alignment should (and does except for BG's true neutral) allow a person to be just as sane as anybody else. Link to comment
devSin Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Don't worry. Neutral is already used as the default alignment (i.e., the "I don't give a damn" alignment). It isn't assigned based on crazy people neutrality; nobody really believes any of these characters are obsessed with doing equal amounts of good and evil. Link to comment
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