Ascension

[DavidW]

Yeah I had all the Ascension components installed. I was suprised by the lack of Tamah and because Abazigal was thrown down with ease unlike any other time I have faced him in the past. Firkragg would have kicked his ass.

 

Can you post your WEIDU.log?

 

That's weird about Imoen I've never seen that behavior before, every other time I've played Imoen had gained the power to turn into the Slayer herself upon reaching a certain level of XP and Charname had the ability to turn into the Ravager at some point. On this last play through that didn't happen.

Before I've always played with Imoen in the party and I've never before had the horror of losing her without anyway to stop it when I reached the Throne of Bhaal.

Perhaps the Ascension mod has changed since last time I installed it? Or is it another mod?

 

No, it's standard Ascension, and it's been like that for years (the mod hasn't changed since 2002ish). Melissan summons Irenicus, who then summons Bodhi; then she (Melissan) turns Imoen into the Slayer. If you wait ten rounds or so, she'll change back.

[Guest Guest]

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
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~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #1 // Tougher Abazigal (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #2 // Original Tougher Demogorgon (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #3 // Tougher Gromnir (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #4 // Tougher Illasera (optional, requires ToB)
~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ #0 #5 // Tougher Yaga-Shura (optional, requires ToB)
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~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #1 // BG2 Fixpack - Game Text Update
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Super Happy Fun Lucky Modder Pack
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #3 // BETA Core Fixes (please check the readme!)
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #100 // Party Gets XP for Sending Keldorn to Reconcile With Maria
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #101 // Improved Spell Animations
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #102 // Cromwell's Forging Actually Takes a Day
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #103 // Mixed-Use Dagger Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #104 // Ghreyfain's Holy Symbol Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #106 // Giants Receive Penalties When Attacking Halflings,   Dwarves, and Gnomes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #107 // Remove Dual-Classing Restriction from Archers   and Stalkers
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #108 // Remove Second Attribute Bonus for Evil Path in  Wrath Hell Trial
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #109 // Corrected Summoned Demon Behavior
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #110 // Additional Script Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #111 // Bard Song Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #112 // Wizard Slayers Cause Miscast Magic on Ranged Attacks
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #113 // Additional Alignment Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #114 // Change Free Action to Protect Against Stun
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Tougher Sendai (ToB Required)
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #1 // Alignment Correction
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #2 // Class Tweaks/Fixes
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #4 // Improved Continuity
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #5 // Cleric Kits
~SETUP-OVERSIGHT.TP2~ #0 #6 // Monk High Level Abilities
~SETUP-VALHORN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Improved Horns of Valhalla v1.2
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #1 // The Suna Seni/Valygar Relationship
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #2 // Kalah and What He Was Promised
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #3 // "Cat and Mouse" (Bodhi hunts you in Spellhold) by Ghreyfain
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #4 // Gorje Hilldark and the Extended Illithium Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #5 // The Pai'Na/Spider's Bane Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #6 // Restored Crooked Crane Inn
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #7 // Restored Encounters
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #8 // Artemis Entreri in Bodhi's Lair
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #9 // Corrected "Xzar's Creations"
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #10 // Restored Hell Minions, by SimDing0
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #11 // Gorf the Squisher Fix, by Gebhard Blucher
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #12 // Item Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #15 // NPC Portrait Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #16 // Corrected BAMs and Scripts
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #17 // Corrected Character Names and Biographies
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #18 // Restored Minor Dialogs
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #19 // Restored Bhaalspawn Powers, by David Gaider
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #20 // Extended ToB Item Descriptions
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #21 // Throne of Bhaal Minor Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #24 // Sarevok's Remorse
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // General AI Improvements
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~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Creature & Area Improvements -> All Creature Improvements
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #3 // Creature & Area Improvements -> Boss Improvements Only
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #4 // Alternative Harper/Xzar Plot
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #5 // Extended Reynald Sequence
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #6 // Intrigue In The Copper Coronet
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #7 // Rahul Kanakia's Potion Quest
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #8 // Revised Hell Trials
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #12 // Burglary Of The Bookkeeper
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #13 // New Fate For The Dryads' Acorns
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #14 // The Tragedy Of Besamen
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #15 // Further Slaver Involvement
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #16 // Sending The Solamnic Knights Home
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #17 // Nazariel The Lich
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #18 // Reward Negotiation
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #19 // Infernal Thievery
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #11 // Saving Sanik In Brynnlaw
~DEARNISE/SETUP-DEARNISE.TP2~ #0 #0 // de'Arnise Romance for Baldur's Gate II, v2
~SETUP-GMINION.TP2~ #0 #0 // gMinion v1.8
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #90 // Disable Portrait Icons Added by Equipped Items
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1010 // More Interjections
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1020 // Alter HP Triggers for NPC Wounded Dialogues
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1030 // Reveal Wilderness Areas Before Chapter Six
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1040 // Improved Athkatlan City Guard
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1080 // Add Bags of Holding
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1160 // Multiple Strongholds (Baldurdash) -> No Restrictions (Baldurdash)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1170 // Bonus Merchants (Baldurdash)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1180 // Female Edwina
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1220 // Allow Cromwell to Upgrade Watcher's Keep Items
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2040 // Universal Clubs
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2050 // Description Updates for Universal Clubs Component
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2060 // Weapon Styles for All
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2090 // Change Experience Point Cap -> Remove Experience Cap
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2140 // Expanded Dual-Class Options
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2170 // Cast Spells from Scrolls (and Other Items) at Character Level
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2192 // Limit Ability of Storekeepers to Identify Items -> Hybrid of Both Methods
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2210 // True Grandmastery (Baldurdash)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2330 // Remove Delay for Magical Traps (Ardanis/GeN1e)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2340 // Remove Summoning Cap for Celestials (Ardanis/GeN1e)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3000 // Higher HP on Level Up -> Maximum
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3010 // Maximum HP for NPCs (the bigg) -> For All Creatures in Game
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3031 // Easy Spell Learning -> 100% Learn Spells and No Maximum Cap
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3040 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove fatigue from restoration spells
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3060 // Remove "You Must Gather Your Party..." Sound (Weimer)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3070 // Change Effect of Reputation on Store Prices -> Low Reputation Store Discount (Sabre)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3121 // Happy Patch (Party NPCs do not fight or complain about reputation) -> NPCs can be angry about reputation but never leave (Salk)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3125 // Neutral Characters Make Happy Comments at  Mid-Range Reputation
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3170 // No Drow Avatars On Party In Underdark
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3200 // Sellable Items (Icelus)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4020 // ToB-Style NPCs
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4031 // Consistent Stats: Edwin -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4041 // Consistent Stats: Jaheira -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4050 // Change Jaheira to Neutral Good
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4061 // Consistent Stats: Minsc -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4071 // Consistent Stats: Viconia -> Use BG2 Values
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4100 // Change Korgan to Neutral Evil
~1PP/1PP.TP2~ #0 #0 // 1PP: Everything but Potions
~1PP_FLAMINGSWORDS/1PP_FLAMINGSWORDS.TP2~ #0 #0 // One Pixel Productions: Flaming Swords v1
~1PP_FS_SHORT/1PP_FS_SHORT.TP2~ #0 #0 // 1PP: Flame Short Swords core [beta]
~1PP_FS_SHORT/1PP_FS_SHORT.TP2~ #0 #1 // 1PP: Flame Short Swords core item patches [beta]
~1PP_FS_SHORT/1PP_FS_SHORT.TP2~ #0 #2 // 1PP: Flame Short Swords mod item patches [beta]
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #10 // Detectable spells and effects (required for most other components): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #30 // More consistent Breach spell (always affects liches and rakshasas; doesn't penetrate Spell Turning): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #20 // Allow Spellstrike to take down a Protection from Magic scroll: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #40 // Antimagic attacks penetrate improved invisibility: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #50 // Iron Skins behaves like Stoneskin (can be brought down by Breach): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #61 // Modify the Harm spell so it does damage rather than reducing target to 1 hp -> Enemy and player Harm spells both do 150 hp of damage: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #70 // Make individual versions of Spell Immunity available, so that players can use them in Contingencies etc.: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #90 // Blade Barrier and Globe of Blades only affect hostile creatures: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #100 // Cap damage done by Skull Trap at 12d6: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #105 // Make Power-Word: Blind single-target: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #110 // Make Minute Meteors into +2 weapons: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #175 // Faster Bears: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #180 // Increase the price asked by Gaylan Baele -> Gaylan wants 40,000 gold pieces: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #195 // Retrieve Dropped Items from Hell: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #201 // Prevent party members from dying irreversibly: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #220 // Smarter general AI: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #230 // Better calls for help: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #236 // Potions for NPCs -> About half of all unused potions on dead enemies are retrievable by the party (the rest are assumed to break): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #238 // Improved Spiders: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #239 // Give fiends more staying power by increasing their hit points (this component has no effect unless Improved Fiends is installed): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #241 // Improved fiends -> Fiends cast spells like normal wizards: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #251 // Smarter genies -> Genies cast spells like normal wizards: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #261 // Smarter celestials -> Celestials cast spells like normal wizards: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #265 // Give dragons more staying power by increasing their hit points: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #283 // Smarter beholders -> Upgrade the hive; no burn-through: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #291 // Smarter mind flayers -> Illithids have enhanced damage resistance; Illithids cannot see invisible enemies: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #300 // Smarter githyanki: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #310 // Enemy mages use Simulacrum and Project Image spells (this component will have no effect unless you install Smarter Mages): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #375 // Slightly Improved Watcher's Keep: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #379 // Improved d'Arnise Keep ("Tactics Remix") -> Spirit trolls have the same powers as in the original game: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #381 // Slightly Improved Drow: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #383 // Improved Fire Giant temple: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #385 // Enhanced Sendai's Enclave: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #386 // Improved Abazigal's Lair: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #387 // Improved Shade Lord: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #392 // Party's items are taken from them in Spellhold: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #396 // Slightly improved Faldorn: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #397 // Improved Bodhi (Tactics Remix) -> "Toned-down" version of the original Tactics Improved Bodhi, with SCSII scripting: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #400 // Increase difficulty of level-dependent monster groupings -> Mildly increased difficulty: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #410 // Improved Minor Encounters: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #412 // Improved Random Encounters: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #415 // Give SCS II style AI to Ascension enemies: v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #430 // Remove animation from the Cloak of Mirroring (leave it for other spells and effects that use the same graphic): v7
~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ #0 #440 // Move Boo into Minsc's pack: v7
~WIDESCREEN/WIDESCREEN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Widescreen Mod: Widescreen Mod v1
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1210 // Use BG Walking Speeds (BETA)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3141 // Faster Chapter 1&2 Cut-Scenes and Dreams -> Non-Silly Version
~SETUP-BANTERPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // Pocket Plane Banter Pack for BG2: Shadows of Amn
~SETUP-BANTERPACK.TP2~ #0 #1 // Install SOA Banter Accelerator script? (Increases the frequency of interparty banter)
~SETUP-BANTERPACK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Pocket Plane Banter Pack for BG2: Throne of Bhaal
~SETUP-BANTERPACK.TP2~ #0 #3 // Install TOB Banter Accelerator script? (Increases the frequency of interparty banter)
~CROSSMODBG2/SETUP-CROSSMODBG2.TP2~ #0 #0 // Crossmod Banter Pack for Shadows of Amn - version 6 (03Nov2007)
~CROSSMODBG2/SETUP-CROSSMODBG2.TP2~ #0 #1 // Crossmod Banter Pack for Throne of Bhaal

 

Hmm Imoen got chunked in seconds every time I reloaded. Any idea where the Ravager powers came from? perhaps Gaider's restored Bhaalpowers when it wasn't part of UB. I think I'll replay the final fight a few more times.

[DavidW]

Okay, so the reason Abazigal is fighting badly and that Tamah doesn't turn up is that you have got the SCSII Ascension component installed, but you haven't got the SCSII "Smarter Dragons" component installed. That combination is creating problems I hadn't anticipated.

 

If you're chunking Immy, just don't attack her.

[Guest Guest]

Okay, so the reason Abazigal is fighting badly and that Tamah doesn't turn up is that you have got the SCSII Ascension component installed, but you haven't got the SCSII "Smarter Dragons" component installed. That combination is creating problems I hadn't anticipated.

 

If you're chunking Immy, just don't attack her.

 

ah ok, I had to remove Smarter Dragons because I wanted Carsomyr before heading into the Underdark and I just couldn't defeat Firkragg even after doing every other possible quest before leaving for Brynnlaw. The smarter shadow dragon didn't give me too much trouble though and I defeated him many levels earlier.

The shade lord kicked my ass repeatedly until I had to go back to Athkatla and buy a scroll of Secret Word to do him in

I had to remove smarter mages too because I just couldn't win against those two Yuan-Ti mages with Torgal when I went to the Keep directly after Irenicus' Dungeon

[Miguel]

ah ok, I had to remove Smarter Dragons because I wanted Carsomyr before heading into the Underdark and I just couldn't defeat Firkragg even after doing every other possible quest before leaving for Brynnlaw. The smarter shadow dragon didn't give me too much trouble though and I defeated him many levels earlier.

The shade lord kicked my ass repeatedly until I had to go back to Athkatla and buy a scroll of Secret Word to do him in

I had to remove smarter mages too because I just couldn't win against those two Yuan-Ti mages with Torgal when I went to the Keep directly after Irenicus' Dungeon

 

Sorry for the OT comment but thanks, Guest, you've just taken a huge weight off my shoulders. There's a saying in spanish: "troubles of many, consolation of dumb". In this case, it is indeed a consolation. I started to think I was the only one finding scs II pretty tough.

[Demivrgvs]

ah ok, I had to remove Smarter Dragons because I wanted Carsomyr before heading into the Underdark and I just couldn't defeat Firkragg even after doing every other possible quest before leaving for Brynnlaw.

Really? I personally think it's great then! Being able to kill Firkragg right away always pissed me off! Thanks DavidW!!

[Demivrgvs]

Double post sorry. Feel free to delete.

[Bearwere]

Sorry for the OT comment but thanks, Guest, you've just taken a huge weight off my shoulders. There's a saying in spanish: "troubles of many, consolation of dumb". In this case, it is indeed a consolation. I started to think I was the only one finding scs II pretty tough.

yes, one thing about scs2 is that you have to stop somewhere in the middle of installation and think "do I really need that difficulty?". Being able to choose only the components you need is really a blessing.

[DavidW]

Sorry for the OT comment but thanks, Guest, you've just taken a huge weight off my shoulders. There's a saying in spanish: "troubles of many, consolation of dumb". In this case, it is indeed a consolation. I started to think I was the only one finding scs II pretty tough.

yes, one thing about scs2 is that you have to stop somewhere in the middle of installation and think "do I really need that difficulty?". Being able to choose only the components you need is really a blessing.

 

V8 will also try to make a sharper distinction between those components that basically just make creatures smarter and those that also make them tougher.

[coaster]

V8 will also try to make a sharper distinction between those components that basically just make creatures smarter and those that also make them tougher.

 

You've said the magic words "v8"! Is anything imminent (or at least, likely to be released soon?)

[Salk]

I love smarter opponents, I don't love tougher opponent (unless the difficulty is openly in contrast with the overall game balance) so I would really like to see this distinction remarked for Version 8.

[DavidW]

V8 will also try to make a sharper distinction between those components that basically just make creatures smarter and those that also make them tougher.

 

You've said the magic words "v8"! Is anything imminent (or at least, likely to be released soon?)

 

Fairly soon - I'm away for the next ten days but I've left it to be released in my absence, hopefully. If not, then in two weeks, I guess.

[DavidW]

I love smarter opponents, I don't love tougher opponent (unless the difficulty is openly in contrast with the overall game balance) so I would really like to see this distinction remarked for Version 8.

Well, component-by-component it was already, so it's only for convenience really.

[Leomar]

I love smarter opponents, I don't love tougher opponent (unless the difficulty is openly in contrast with the overall game balance) so I would really like to see this distinction remarked for Version 8.

Well, component-by-component it was already, so it's only for convenience really.

I agree with Salk, because I've seen some gamers they don't want to use your mod. Why? The gamers compare it with other tactical mods like Tactics. Your slogan: SCS play's fair, is seen in your mod, so the gamers should trust it. Everytime I tell the gamers, that they can trust SCS and they should use it for a more interesting smarter game. And I know, that is what you do. Therefore if someone thinks, there are components there are to tough, please remark this, so the user see it. I think the most fear for the gamers is, that they could have to much problems with some encounters, and can not play further. This fear we must take them away.

 

So, go on with your great mod to let us play BG smarter.

 

Greetings Leomar

[DavidW]

I love smarter opponents, I don't love tougher opponent (unless the difficulty is openly in contrast with the overall game balance) so I would really like to see this distinction remarked for Version 8.

Well, component-by-component it was already, so it's only for convenience really.

I agree with Salk, because I've seen some gamers they don't want to use your mod. Why? The gamers compare it with other tactical mods like Tactics. Your slogan: SCS play's fair, is seen in your mod, so the gamers should trust it. Everytime I tell the gamers, that they can trust SCS and they should use it for a more interesting smarter game. And I know, that is what you do. Therefore if someone thinks, there are components there are to tough, please remark this, so the user see it.

 

I'm not 100% sure I understand this. Some components of SCS(II) just make foes smarter, others also make them tougher (hopefully without cheating, though). But whether a component is "too tough" is a bit subjective. Personally, I find giving HLAs to SoA wizards is "too tough" but others seem to like it. Lots of people find the SCS kobolds "too tough"; for me they're fine.

 

I think the most fear for the gamers is, that they could have to much problems with some encounters, and can not play further. This fear we must take them away.

 

Again, I'm not completely sure how. By general consensus, SCSII makes mages substantially the most challenging opponents - but the improved mages component is basically a "smarter" component, not a "tougher" one.