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antenos.cre - Antenos - originally True Neutral
aran.cre - Aran Linvail - originally True Neutral
aran02.cre - Aran Linvail - originally True Neutral
arntra02.cre - Trainee - originally NONE
arntra06.cre - Shadow Thief - originally NONE
beast.cre - Beastmaster - originally True Neutral
bmugg1.cre - Mugger - originally True Neutral
chtaz02.cre - Tamoko - originally Lawful Neutral
copcust3.cre - Nobleman - originally NONE
csiren.cre - Mage - originally Neutral Evil
csjon.cre - Mage - originally Neutral Evil
cujon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
cujon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
cujon3.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Evil
cujon4.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Evil
dpjon01.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
dpjon02.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
dream2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Good
driren.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
drjon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
elemep01.cre - Ooze Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep02.cre - Steam Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep03.cre - Salt Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep04.cre - Fire Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep05.cre - Magma Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep06.cre - Earth Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep07.cre - Mineral Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep08.cre - Dust Mephit - originally True Neutral
ELEMHYDR.cre - Olhydra - originally True Neutral
firamb02.cre - Gerg - originally NONE
firban04.cre - Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
firban05.cre - Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
firorc02.cre - Derg the Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
fulady.cre - Lady Tandolan of Um - originally Lawful Neutral
gorch.cre - Gorch - originally NONE
gpfam1.cre - Pitch - originally True Neutral
hellho01.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
hellil01.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
helljon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Evil
helljon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Evil
hellslay.cre - Slayer - originally NONE
hlmage.cre - Mage - originally True Neutral
jadermin.cre - Dermin Courtierdale - originally Chaotic Neutral
jaga3.cre - Nadinal - originally True Neutral
jamage1.cre - Gracien - originally Chaotic Neutral
jamage2.cre - Malacazar - originally Chaotic Neutral
jarlaxle.cre - Jarlaxle - originally Lawful Evil
jon1.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
korcrazy.cre - Cleric - originally NONE
kproen01.cre - Lord Roenall - originally Lawful Neutral
legdor.cre - Legdoril - originally Chaotic Good
lin.cre - Lin - originally NONE
magetest.cre - Mage - originally True Neutral
mgteos01.cre - Teos - originally True Neutral
obsfir02.cre - Fire Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir03.cre - Magma Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir04.cre - Smoke Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir05.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
obsice02.cre - Ice Mephit - originally True Neutral
pardru.cre - Sorsha - originally Lawful Evil
pbhunt04.cre - Bounty Hunter - originally True Neutral
pcapt02.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt03.cre - Prison Captain - originally Lawful Neutral
pcapt04.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt05.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt06.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pirmur01.cre - Galvena - originally Lawful Neutral
pirmur02.cre - Assassin - originally Chaotic Neutral
plysala.cre - Fire Salamander - originally True Neutral
ppguard.cre - Pirate - originally Lawful Neutral
ppireni1.cre - Coordinator - originally Chaotic Good
ppireni2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
quint.cre - Quint Roenal - originally NONE
reband04.cre - Bandit - originally True Neutral
reband05.cre - Bandit - originally NONE
recler02.cre - Cleric - originally True Neutral
redilav.cre - Dilav - originally Lawful Neutral
reeldar.cre - Eldarin - originally True Neutral
remage02.cre - Slaver Wizard - originally True Neutral
rengaa.cre - Rengaard - originally True Neutral
sargrd07.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Neutral
sargrd08.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Neutral
sargrd10.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Evil
sargrd11.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Evil
sethle.cre - Sethle - originally Lawful Neutral
sewdue01.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
sewdue02.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
seworo01.cre - Elite Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
sewyag01.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
sewyag03.cre - Elite Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
shadel.cre - Shade Lord - originally Neutral Good
shadeld.cre - Shade Lord - originally Neutral Good
shagbag.cre - Shagbag - originally Lawful Neutral
sujon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
sujon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
teltief1.cre - Tiefling - originally True Neutral
terrece.cre - Terrece - originally Chaotic Good
tobban01.cre - Sharik Nefal - originally True Neutral
tobban02.cre - Orc Archer - originally Lawful Neutral
tobban03.cre - Orc - originally Lawful Neutral
tobban04.cre - Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
tolger.cre - Tolgerias - originally Chaotic Good
tolger2.cre - Tolgerias - originally Chaotic Good
trcut05.cre - Lady Lilith Lurraxol - originally Lawful Evil
trcut06.cre - Lord Skarmaen Alibakkar - originally True Neutral
trfued01.cre - Lady Lilith Lurraxol - originally Lawful Evil
trfued05.cre - Lord Skarmaen Alibakkar - originally True Neutral
trskin03.cre - Rejiek Hidesman - originally Neutral Good
trskin06.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral
trskin3b.cre - Rejiek Hidesman - originally Neutral Good
trskin6b.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral
trskind2.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral
yaga03.cre - Lieutenant Fighter - originally Lawful Evil

 

Edit: Also check the alignment overview thread.

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I'll toss in a few cents here since nobody else has done so thus far. ;)

 

I think the case could be made for cres like Rejiek Hidesman and the Shade Lord being CE rather than NE. Rumar and Priss are supposedly CE but these two are not? Okaaay... :):D "Skin dancing", whether literal in Rejiek's case or however the Shade Lord does it, (work with me here, it's sort of similar :) ) strikes me a rather more clear example of chaotic evil behaviour than infidelity. But maybe I have a weird moral compass or something. ;)

 

Also, Lord Roenall could well be LE rather than NE.

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I'll toss in a few cents here since nobody else has done so thus far. :)

Yes, please. We need to get the alignment discussions rolling again.

Posted

I would certainly agree that Lord Roenall should be Lawful, rather than Neutral Evil, since he's sticking to the law pretty much all the way through his business with Nalia. Even in attacking the keep he's enforcing his rights as the technically legal owner of the estate.

 

 

It's a fairly fine line between Neutral and Chaotic Evil sometimes, but from what I remember about the Shade Lord, he's into posession as a means to further his own ends and not purely for the love of taking people over (which Rijek seems to be in it for), so I'd lean towards making him NE myself, and making the Hidesman and the skin dancer CE.

Posted
Even in attacking the keep he's enforcing his rights as the technically legal owner of the estate.

 

Other than the marriage between Isaea Roenal[l]? and Nalia, which doesn't happen, what claim does he have?

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And I guess that believing one's actions comply to the law makes it enough for such person to be lawful...

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Whether or not Roenall's claim to the keep is rightful or bogus is pretty much irrelevant here as I see it, and in truth it's probably neither of the two (Charname's "claim" is arguably every bit as dubious, if not more so) - there is no heir apparent and no real applicable precedent. The way he manipulates "tradition" to fit his own agenda to me definitely indicates a lawful evil character. (Actually, I think even the Bioware LN is a better fit than NE, if only barely)

 

If the perceived crumminess of Roenall's claim warrants an NE alignment, I suggest that Charname should also have an NE alignment change if he / she claims the keep. ;):D

 

It's a fairly fine line between Neutral and Chaotic Evil sometimes, but from what I remember about the Shade Lord, he's into posession as a means to further his own ends and not purely for the love of taking people over (which Rijek seems to be in it for), so I'd lean towards making him NE myself, and making the Hidesman and the skin dancer CE.

 

Yes, but IIRC the Shade Lord's end goal is spreading chaos and mayhem for the sake of spreading chaos and mayhem? Eh, probably a matter of interpretation. :D

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I should clarify what I meant--I believe Farthington Roenall behaves as he does because he believes his actions will have few to no legal repurcussions. If that were not the case, I do not think he would behave as he does.

 

I don't think that's indicative of lawful behavior per se but I do think it's relevant.

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This is where it gets tricky, what with personal interpretations and all. ;)

 

I think if he were NE, Lord Roenall would be trying all the options open to him, including, say, having Nalia assassinated by the Shadow Thieves, especially after it's obvious that CHARNAME is holding onto that keep.

 

With Nalia not there to back CHARNAME's claim, the keep would default to him. Since the Shadow Thieves operate more or less with impunity in Amn, he'd have very little risk operating that way too.

 

Just my interpretation, but he seems to be a traditionalist, selfish to be sure, but a blue-blooded member of the establishment, very concerned about honour and the "right" way of doing things (like Aunty Delcia).

 

 

 

 

Other than the marriage between Isaea Roenal[l]? and Nalia, which doesn't happen, what claim does he have?

 

Other than that? None at all, which is why he takes so poorly to the idea of CHARNAME having an equally tenuous claim on the keep. Of course, Nalia was betrothed to Isaea, which likely involves a formal contract between the de'Arnise and Roenall houses, but with Nalia now head of the family and not married the claim which should have been absolute is all muddied up.

 

 

 

Yes, but IIRC the Shade Lord's end goal is spreading chaos and mayhem for the sake of spreading chaos and mayhem? Eh, probably a matter of interpretation. :D

 

Was that the case? I don't remmeber that bit. Wanting to kill everyone for kicks is probably drifting into CE town. That's the problem with the alignment system, it's both very rigid and open to interpretation. :D

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This is where it gets tricky, what with personal interpretations and all. ;)

 

I think if he were NE, Lord Roenall would be trying all the options open to him, including, say, having Nalia assassinated by the Shadow Thieves, especially after it's obvious that CHARNAME is holding onto that keep.

 

With Nalia not there to back CHARNAME's claim, the keep would default to him. Since the Shadow Thieves operate more or less with impunity in Amn, he'd have very little risk operating that way too.

 

Just my interpretation, but he seems to be a traditionalist, selfish to be sure, but a blue-blooded member of the establishment, very concerned about honour and the "right" way of doing things (like Aunty Delcia).

 

 

 

 

Other than the marriage between Isaea Roenal[l]? and Nalia, which doesn't happen, what claim does he have?

 

Other than that? None at all, which is why he takes so poorly to the idea of CHARNAME having an equally tenuous claim on the keep. Of course, Nalia was betrothed to Isaea, which likely involves a formal contract between the de'Arnise and Roenall houses, but with Nalia now head of the family and not married the claim which should have been absolute is all muddied up.

 

 

 

Yes, but IIRC the Shade Lord's end goal is spreading chaos and mayhem for the sake of spreading chaos and mayhem? Eh, probably a matter of interpretation. :D

 

Was that the case? I don't remmeber that bit. Wanting to kill everyone for kicks is probably drifting into CE town. That's the problem with the alignment system, it's both very rigid and open to interpretation. :D

 

 

Hello,

 

I agree with all statements in this post from BigRob ;).

 

Regards

 

Roana

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Most of city guards (by PnP resources) should be neutral evil. Especially this guard who take a bribe fro slavers :)

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hellil01, magetest, shadeld are unused.

 

Don't do plysala (it only exists for polymorph, and the alignment isn't preserved).

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Alright, the v2 wrapup:

bdock1.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE
bdock2.cre - Dockhand Ogre - originally NONE

The dockhand ogres were originally being assigned TN; moved here instead.

 

csiren.cre - Mage - originally Neutral Evil
csjon.cre - Mage - originally Neutral Evil
hellil01.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
helljon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Evil
helljon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Evil
magetest.cre - Mage - originally True Neutral
plysala.cre - Fire Salamander - originally True Neutral
shadeld.cre - Shade Lord - originally Neutral Good

plysala is used but irrelevant (it's a polymorph template) and the rest are either unused or already NE.

 

kproen01.cre - Lord Roenall - originally Lawful Neutral
shadel.cre - Shade Lord - originally Neutral Good
trskin03.cre - Rejiek Hidesman - originally Neutral Good
trskin06.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral
trskin3b.cre - Rejiek Hidesman - originally Neutral Good
trskin6b.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral
trskind2.cre - Darsidian Moor - originally Lawful Neutral

Lord Roenall is being changed to LE instead; Shade Lord and the various skin dancers are going to CE instead.

 

antenos.cre - Antenos - originally True Neutral
aran.cre - Aran Linvail - originally True Neutral
aran02.cre - Aran Linvail - originally True Neutral
arntra02.cre - Trainee - originally NONE
arntra06.cre - Shadow Thief - originally NONE
beast.cre - Beastmaster - originally True Neutral
bmugg1.cre - Mugger - originally True Neutral
chtaz02.cre - Tamoko - originally Lawful Neutral
copcust3.cre - Nobleman - originally NONE
cujon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
cujon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
cujon3.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Evil
cujon4.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Evil
dpjon01.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
dpjon02.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
dream2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Neutral Good
driren.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
drjon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
elemep01.cre - Ooze Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep02.cre - Steam Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep03.cre - Salt Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep04.cre - Fire Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep05.cre - Magma Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep06.cre - Earth Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep07.cre - Mineral Mephit - originally True Neutral
elemep08.cre - Dust Mephit - originally True Neutral
ELEMHYDR.cre - Olhydra - originally True Neutral
firamb02.cre - Gerg - originally NONE
firban04.cre - Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
firban05.cre - Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
firorc02.cre - Derg the Orc - originally Chaotic Neutral
fulady.cre - Lady Tandolan of Um - originally Lawful Neutral
gorch.cre - Gorch - originally NONE
gpfam1.cre - Pitch - originally True Neutral
hellho01.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
hellslay.cre - Slayer - originally NONE
hlmage.cre - Mage - originally True Neutral
jadermin.cre - Dermin Courtierdale - originally Chaotic Neutral
jaga3.cre - Nadinal - originally True Neutral
jamage1.cre - Gracien - originally Chaotic Neutral
jamage2.cre - Malacazar - originally Chaotic Neutral
jarlaxle.cre - Jarlaxle - originally Lawful Evil
jon1.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
korcrazy.cre - Cleric - originally NONE
legdor.cre - Legdoril - originally Chaotic Good
lin.cre - Lin - originally NONE
mgteos01.cre - Teos - originally True Neutral
obsfir02.cre - Fire Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir03.cre - Magma Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir04.cre - Smoke Mephit - originally True Neutral
obsfir05.cre - Hell Hound - originally True Neutral
obsice02.cre - Ice Mephit - originally True Neutral
pardru.cre - Sorsha - originally Lawful Evil
pbhunt04.cre - Bounty Hunter - originally True Neutral
pcapt02.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt03.cre - Prison Captain - originally Lawful Neutral
pcapt04.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt05.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pcapt06.cre - Prison Captain - originally True Neutral
pirmur01.cre - Galvena - originally Lawful Neutral
pirmur02.cre - Assassin - originally Chaotic Neutral
ppguard.cre - Pirate - originally Lawful Neutral
ppireni1.cre - Coordinator - originally Chaotic Good
ppireni2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
quint.cre - Quint Roenal - originally NONE
reband04.cre - Bandit - originally True Neutral
reband05.cre - Bandit - originally NONE
recler02.cre - Cleric - originally True Neutral
redilav.cre - Dilav - originally Lawful Neutral
reeldar.cre - Eldarin - originally True Neutral
remage02.cre - Slaver Wizard - originally True Neutral
rengaa.cre - Rengaard - originally True Neutral
sargrd07.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Neutral
sargrd08.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Neutral
sargrd10.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Evil
sargrd11.cre - Fighter - originally Lawful Evil
sethle.cre - Sethle - originally Lawful Neutral
sewdue01.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
sewdue02.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
seworo01.cre - Elite Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
sewyag01.cre - Duergar Sapper - originally Lawful Neutral
sewyag03.cre - Elite Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
shagbag.cre - Shagbag - originally Lawful Neutral
sujon.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
sujon2.cre - Jon Irenicus - originally Chaotic Good
teltief1.cre - Tiefling - originally True Neutral
terrece.cre - Terrece - originally Chaotic Good
tobban01.cre - Sharik Nefal - originally True Neutral
tobban02.cre - Orc Archer - originally Lawful Neutral
tobban03.cre - Orc - originally Lawful Neutral
tobban04.cre - Orog - originally Lawful Neutral
tolger.cre - Tolgerias - originally Chaotic Good
tolger2.cre - Tolgerias - originally Chaotic Good
trcut05.cre - Lady Lilith Lurraxol - originally Lawful Evil
trcut06.cre - Lord Skarmaen Alibakkar - originally True Neutral
trfued01.cre - Lady Lilith Lurraxol - originally Lawful Evil
trfued05.cre - Lord Skarmaen Alibakkar - originally True Neutral
yaga03.cre - Lieutenant Fighter - originally Lawful Evil

These changes remain.

 

One last note--the slaver guards are already coded as various flavors of evil.

 

Feedback please. :)

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I'd be in favor of leaving Tamoko some flavor of neutral. She wasn't really evil in BG (not really), and she's the only one who shows up in both good and evil parties (since they wisely didn't use Tazok).

 

Is canon Aran neutral evil? He acts fairly lawful in-game, no?

 

Why is Quint evil? He may be standing around with the family crest up his ass, but all he really does is shoo away the peasants (the party in this case)?

 

All those tobbans are unused (ZOMG ANOTHER BANDIT ENCOUNTER!!!). I restore both these and the bounty hunters (tobpar), but I've never really been happy with it (spawns from baldur25). Trying to shoehorn crap into ToB is *tough*.

 

Why is fulady evil? She's a bit arrogant, but she's still comparatively friendly.

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