Cahir

9 minutes ago, cdds said:

I know it's a bit offtopic for this thread, but any specific reason why you have the UI mod so late in your order? I was under the impression that any UI mods (lefreut's, Dragonspear++, etc) should come very early (before quests) in the install order so that changes of UI elements by other mods don't get overridden

Uh, honestly I don't remember, but you're the second person asking me about it. I would need to re-read the entire thread of mine to remind myself about my reasoning. But there is probably a reason I've done that. 

55 minutes ago, jastey said:

I pinned them for now. We need to watch them though - as they will slowly outdate unless updated. EDIT: I also pinned @Caedwyr 's.

I plan to revisit my EET installation at some point, but it would definitely be more modest. I put far too many gameplay changes there. For someone who played the game so long ago that barely remembers the details, I tried to steer away from vanilla feeling way too much. I also tend to install too many kit mods. I need to decide which kit I want to play and install just the necessary mods. But sometimes I can't help myself.

4 hours ago, subtledoctor said:

Ha ha, okay I agree with you on all of that. For me, a "become a lich" mod has no place in these games. Just no place at all. But as long as someone is into the idea and wants to make it more than a replacement for 5 minutes in EEKeeper, then heck, why not talk about ways to make it at least a little bit interesting.

I agree with this. Look at new Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, where there a Mythic Paths and one of those Paths is the Lich path. They have made it a central game mechanics which is integral part of the game design and not something that was added on top, because it would be fun. That way we are sure it makes sense, it fits to the game. Having a lichdom in IE games as much as appealing it may sound, is not a natural fit. It will always stand out, how much depends if the implementation.

35 minutes ago, Guest Cdds said:

I dont think its necessary to create an english version tbh. The polish list is very easy to navigate, since the mod names are in english anyway and since there are only (max) 2 links available per mod, Forum and "Strona", it is self-exlanatory that "Strona" must be something along the lines of modpage or download.

Basically it's translate like this:

* Pobierz - direct download link (in some cases (i.e SHS or Weasel) you need to actually click Download again on the download page. In case of other sites, it should be direct download link. Github links download always the latest release or master, if there are no releases. 

* PL - it tells if mod was translated to Polish or not

* Strona - it leads to mod site. 

* Forum - self explanatory

As for the color coding:

* Gold - Mod is compatible with EET (either natively or by installing it prior to EET). 

* White - mod is compatible with BGEE and SoD (for BGEE modlist) or BG2EE (for BG2EE modlist), but not with EET. 

* Brown - mod is compatible only with BGEE (but not with SoD or EET).

And that's all that needs to be known. 

Just now, Guest Cdds said:

Kudos Cahir for those mod lists! Thanks to your lists i just discovered Magnus' Tweaks and Tricks mod, which looks amazing and was completely unknown to me

There is an idea of adding English version of those lists, but for that I would need a help of some volunteer, because I'd have no time to maintain all 4 lists. The site maintainer is ready to give all support needed. The basic change would be to add all available languages (instead of only Polish) along with info regarding the authors of each translation. If anyone is interested to help mantaining English version on the lists, ping me vis PM here, or on the Discord. 

Just now, suy said:

Indeed, that's the list I was mentioning.

Ah, sorry I thought you mean my install order list in one of the topics here at G3. 

Just to be clear, you won't find any of Roxanne's mod on those lists, for obvious reasons. 

1 hour ago, suy said:

interest.

The only way to have a list of mods for one to acknowledge their existence, is to follow every place where such a thing can be made public. Cahir's list is the closest thing I've seen so far, and of course it's not complete.

Actually, there is something. I'm mantaining the list of BGEE and BG2EE mods on the Polish site, Children of Bhaal. 

BGEE + SoD modlist

BG2EE modlist

The site is in Polish, but it should be fairly easy to follow. Protip - mods colored Gold are EET compatible. 

Also what I would add to DavidW's post, is that probably instead trying to build a perfect install order for all mods available, it would be good to build a few (or more) smaller, thematically consistent modlists, that players could plug in from the get go. I. e "Lava's mods" with most of the mods from our beloved Lava, or "Vanilla expanded" with mainly the most basic must-have mods that expand vanilla experience, or "The prime of megamods" with all megamods to expand the world. Something like that. I know from experience, that throwing all mods into the cauldron doesn't work. 

Also, doing a leg work (e.g asking people about mod order, reading read mies) is not a bad think. I was doing exactly that when I bulit my EET setup which led to:

1. Finding, reporting and in result fixing by mod authors a couple of bugs an compatibility issues that my setup triggered.

2. Improving few mods based on my initial feedback. 

3. Me learning a lot of stuff about the mods I planned to install, which I probably wouldn't learn if I have not put an effort to do all this. 

In the end I did not regret every minute of those 3 or so weeks of poking different modders about stuff (although, I'm not entirely sure if all those modders were equally happy about me poking them). 

2 hours ago, CamDawg said:

It should work with mod bard kits as long as it's installed after them. Basically, it checks the game's list of kits (kitlist.2da) and adds the appraisal ability to any bard kit it finds. Cahir tested it with Lava's Ina NPC on IWDEE (Ina uses a custom bard kit) and the ability worked as intended.

I confirm, it works like a charm with Ina NPC. 

I'll definitely revisit my mod list when the time will finally come to play EET. I think it will be closer to vanilla experience. I put too much gameplay change stuff in my first take. 

16 minutes ago, jastey said:

I went to the list you posted here, and I see "EET Tweaks" in section "2. Enhanced Edition Trilogy Mods". Maybe I am reading your list in that post wrong and it's not sorted by order?

Thanks for the installation list! It is to be used with care - as all lists I linked to above - since mods can change with updates, but it's still better than no list at all to start with.

Yeah, it's not sorted. You can find sorted order in attached txt files 

7 minutes ago, jastey said:

That's a good question. I would assume it was components that do not touch mod added cres or items or such so it doesn't matter to install it late or early. Maybe @Cahir do you remember why you put EET Tweaks so early?

Actually, I' have EET Tweaks quite late on my list, more or less where other tweaks landed. Maybe you confused it with EEUI Tweaks which is indeed early on my list?

Here was my last take on that installation. Please not, that it's already obsolete, it was done I believe September last year.

1 minute ago, Cahir said:

Everyone wants that, but rushing things sometimes works the opposite. 

You know what, you can be helpful actually. Why don't you just install Eve na of War and those mods you mentioned and do a little testing? I'm sure that detailed compatibility reports would speed things up, rather than waiting for Lauriel and The Baffled King to test those mods by themselves. How does it sound to you, hm? 

2 minutes ago, Endarire said:

Thankee!  I just want all this stuff to work well together!

Everyone wants that, but rushing things sometimes works the opposite. 

1 minute ago, Endarire said:

@Lauriel
What content/fixes does Eve of War need to be fully compatible with Transitions and Endless BG1?  What about Framed?

@The_Baffled_King
What content/fixes does Eve of War need to be fully compatible with your mod in progress?

Thankee!

I believe they would need to play it first, to be able to answer those questions. Eve of War was released a week ago, give them time to look at it

On 8/23/2021 at 2:09 AM, morpheus562 said:

@subtledoctor good to know, thank you! I have some minor updates to publish that I've been sitting on for the last month. I'll look at seeing if I can include Might & Guile with it.

Any progress adding IWDEE compatibility? I'm playing modded IWDEE right now, and I admit I miss this mod badly 

4 hours ago, Endarire said:

This may involve changing area codes to make it EET compatible.  He uses AR9000 and AR9100 due to them being available in IWD, for example

@Cahir
I was surprised to see you so excited for this mod!  Your enthusiasm also made me want to try the finished version!

Thankee and alleluia!.

Not sure why are you surprised. I have been waiting for this mod from day one. 

5 minutes ago, Graion Dilach said:

We need a Git repo for this and I think he should be heading it. Although I acknowledge this always seemed way too huge for a single person I fear (even when documented) to finish especially nowadays when every capable modder is busy with their own stuff.

I've already considered wrapping up a GUI tutorial for Git based on GitExtensions due to @Andrea C. also mentioning on SHS that he got frustrated with the CLT interface (and I can count the amount of times I used the CLT on one hand after I started using GitExt in 2011, and I seen that a fair amount of modders in the OpenRA community also found GitExt more intuitive than GH Desktop) but yeah, I always end up doing other stuff.

I would work on this but I know that my coding skills are still not up to the standards this one would require.

That would be helpful. Elminster mentioned that he is not versed with GH and this is why he put the mod on GDrive for now. But of course he is not opposed to putting it on GH at all. Apparently content-wise the mod is practically completed, although there are probably some room for additions. It'snot like the mod is half done. It's almost done, just needs some love.

Hello G3 community,

Recently there was release of the first version (let's call it alpha) of the impressive looking mod called Eve of War, created by none other than Elminster  The author initially stopped working on the mod at some point and have no plans of releasing it whatsoever, but recently he was persuaded to change his mind and released the mod on the Beamdog forums.

The mod is still not fully fleshed out and tested, and there is still work to be done. Elminster is open for other modders to finish it, however they want. He plans to provide the full documentation, describing all the things he has planned to include in this mod, so a potential modder who would be willing to pick up the torch, could use those notes to finish the mod as close to author's intents as possible (or go completely different rout if he/she chooses so). What this mod needs the most, though, is the bugfixing, fleshing out the code, fixing typos, assuring compatibility with EET and other mods and this kind of stuff.

I'm opening the topic here in the hope to attract a skilled modders who are willing to jump in and finish Eve of War to a fully fleshed out, EET-compatible state. This is not something I usually do, but for this mod I will make an exception, because it's basically the mod I was dreaming the whole life to see for BGEE (no kidding).

Currently, the mod can be downloaded here and here is the first draft of the documentation (still work in progress).

I think many players would be thrilled to see this mod fully completed.

27 minutes ago, temnix said:

If my name were Hurbold Duethkatha, I'd take a pseudonym too. Hey Lauriel, check out the lore on Ardenor Crush while you are at it.

The only official bits of info about Ardenor Crush I can think of is from Gold & Glory book. Here is what it says about The Chill and Ardenor personally.

Just now, Lauriel said:

I had no idea what his real name was.  This is awesome!  Thank you!

You're welcome. If you need more details about Eltan, let me know on PM. I'll gladly provide it to you  (I'd really love to see Eltan's iconic intelligent sword Roan somewhere along the way

By the way, Moruene is a high-level (19th in 1st edition) female wizard, a lifelong friend of Eltan (and occasional lover). I believe Eltan, Scar and Moruene were the original founders of the Flaming Fist.

I don't think his surname were never officially mentioned. I checked all the reference sources from Wiki article. He is probably described in the most detailed way in the 1st edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Set sourcebook. But even there he is referred only as Eltan.

But as a curious fact, there is a true name of Scar mentioned there. He's real name is Hurbold Duethkatha, which is known only to his two most trusted companions, Eltan and Moruene.

10 minutes ago, jastey said:

As far as I know, @Lava will make his mods EET compatible when they are done and tested, just not while they are still in development.

Yeah, and this does also include traification. I can imagine, with all the mods he created during these years, reaching to each of the translators to update translation every time he adds/changes something would be a pain. Besides, some translators can be already unavailable by now.

Hi @DaxtremeI have a question regarding Appropriate Items for High-Level Spellcasters component. How it will interact with Weimar's Item Upgrade and SoD to BG2EE Item Upgrade? If for example I upgrade vanilla item using Weimar's Item Upgrade, will your mod use upgraded version or vanilla? Same goes for SoD to BG2EE.